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What are the odds on the Swedish, Hungarian and Czech parliaments all approving the intergovernmental fudge?

Well, we have a minority government, and I think the votes would come down like this:
Government parties - pro-fudge
Left party, Green party, Sweden-democrats - anti-fudge
Soc-dems - will the need to look serious beat need to give the government a black eye? Sadly, probably yes.

Thus fudge will probably pass in Sweden.

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by A swedish kind of death on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 09:36:09 AM EST
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The PM has made it clear Sweden will NOT join.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 02:24:30 PM EST
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That's that then.

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by A swedish kind of death on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 02:32:01 PM EST
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See here.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 02:36:09 PM EST
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Also here.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 02:40:10 PM EST
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Agh, I meant here.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 02:41:10 PM EST
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Yes, and for the record I also made a faulty prediction when it came to the soc-dems, they actually came out against before the government.

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by A swedish kind of death on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 03:00:00 PM EST
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They might be feeling where the wind is blowing. Once upon a time, more than half of all Swedish voters wanted to join the Euro. Today...

   

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 03:11:16 PM EST
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Almost means a "neuro" is a non-starter?  I can't see Norway, Finland, and Denmark joining without Sweden and I can't see a "neuro" working without the Nordic countries.

YMMV


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 03:20:53 PM EST
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Norway is not in the EU and unlikely to join in this crisis. Sweden is extremely unlikely to join a failing union, and I would say ditto on Denmark.

Finland is in a different position, already being in the euro. Finland also has Russia as a neighbour, increasing the support for european projects in general.

Any neuro would have to work with countries already in the euro, but as Netherlands also has come under attack, I don't see that as an option either.

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by A swedish kind of death on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 03:39:22 PM EST
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Your arguments are part of why I didn't see them joining.  The other part was the Scandinavian countries have already done the "Currency Union" thing and it fell apart for much of the same reasons the euro seems destined to follow.  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 04:00:53 PM EST
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I'd say about one Swede in a thousand has even heard about the Scandinavian currency union of yore, so that's not a big issue at all.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 04:10:59 PM EST
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I'm sure Johan Gernandt and Sven-Erik Österberg know and who else counts?

:-)

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 04:34:55 PM EST
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Denmark is likely to join, because our Dear Leaders have an idiotic attachment to the fixed exchange rate with the D-Mark. It would be Unserious to float the currency and let the Germans deal with the unemployment and general misery their deflationary quackery creates.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 at 08:20:57 PM EST
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After the last year, year and a half?

Got to be kidding.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 at 12:19:47 AM EST
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Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.
by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 at 04:18:59 AM EST
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Denmark joining the E-Z would be a clear example of a rat jumping ONTO a sinking ship.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 at 05:20:28 PM EST
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