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To the end of identifying things that might be confusing I would suggest that the effects of who is borrowing and who is lending at any given time be clarified and made explicitly free of jargon. If I understand correctly, the baseline rate of EONIA is currently established by the rate that the ECB PAYS depositors and that this is likely because the healthy banks are reluctant to lend overnight at higher rates to bad banks and instead deposit excess cash at the ECB for the minimal depository rate. THEY WILL LEND OVERNIGHT TO GOOD RISK BANKS, but, due to the relative surplus of cash compared to creditworthy borrowers, this tends to be very close to or at the depository rate. This establishes the  (green line) depository rate as the baseline for EONIA. But the less healthy banks don't have excess reserves to deposit at the ECB and, in fact, have to borrow at the end of the maintenance period in order to have enough reserves to meet requirements. This drives up the rates in the heartbeat spike pattern shown.

If anything happens that decreases the reserves of most banks, then fewer banks will have excess reserves to deposit at the depository rates and more will have to borrow reserves for longer periods of time. This increased demand for overnight loans will drive up EONIA and keep it up longer, depending on the severity of the problem. I can only hope that this is neither totally wrong nor hopelessly obvious. Either way, I hope to learn something.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Mar 2nd, 2011 at 08:36:24 PM EST
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Precisely.

The more different ways this argument is restated the better the chance is that readers will understand what is being said.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 3rd, 2011 at 04:45:30 AM EST
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ARGeezer:
the less healthy banks don't have excess reserves to deposit at the ECB and, in fact, have to borrow at the end of the maintenance period in order to have enough reserves to meet requirements. This drives up the rates in the heartbeat spike pattern shown.
In fact, the heartbeat pattern comes from the "healthy" banks - they attempt to squeeze as much profit as possible from what little spare liquidity they have so they hold a reserve deficit over the period and lend the different short-term, then top up on the last day.

The "unhealthy" banks probably have to borrow enough at the repo rate to cover their reserve requirements without resort to the interbank market at all.

One possible explanation of the heightened volatility and raised level in the past 8 months is that on the one hand the ECB is withdrawing extraordnary liquidity support (e.g., the 1-year tender wasn't renewed), and on the other hand every time an ECB official opens their mouth the market has a fit.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 3rd, 2011 at 05:10:14 AM EST
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Two questions:
  1. Would healthy banks in an adverse climate, (few creditworthy borrowers), still be desirous of the .25% interest. I recall many TARP recipients had large amounts of "excess reserves" deposited with the Fed, earning interest, but the deposit rate was a bit higher, IIRCC.

  2. If the rate is to be held for an indefinite length of time and is available in unlimited quantity, what is to prevent good banks from borrowing at .25% to speculate on commodities, stocks, etc. A sort of Central Bank "carry trade"?  Nothing?  


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by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Mar 3rd, 2011 at 09:24:09 AM EST
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Banks don't borrow, in the aggregate, at 0.25% - they borrow at 1%.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 3rd, 2011 at 09:33:40 AM EST
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Are they not remunerated for making the required deposits, and is that remuneration not now, effectively, the EONIA rate and the same as they would get for depositing "excess reserves" with the ECB. I could see that they would have to borrow from the ECB if they could not come up with the money to meet the reserve requirement. What do you mean by "in the aggregate"?

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Mar 3rd, 2011 at 08:02:35 PM EST
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Are they not remunerated for making the required deposits, and is that remuneration not now, effectively, the EONIA rate

That's what it says.

and the same as they would get for depositing "excess reserves" with the ECB.

A bit higher by now, actually.

What do you mean by "in the aggregate"?

That's a response to your question of whether they could borrow at 0.25 % and use the funds to speculate. They can't - if the banks who are not shut out of the overnight market began showing that sort of aggressive behaviour they would either be shut out of the overnight market or the overnight market would rise to the MRO rate.

They can borrow at 1 % and use the proceeds for speculation assuming they have enough sound assets to pledge at the discount window. I don't know precisely what a sound asset is, so I couldn't tell you whether - say - an oil future counts, though.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Mar 4th, 2011 at 01:45:49 AM EST
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They can borrow at 1 % and use the proceeds for speculation assuming they have enough sound assets to pledge at the discount window. I don't know precisely what a sound asset is, so I couldn't tell you whether - say - an oil future counts, though.

From elsewhere in the thread

Type of asset:     ECB debt certificates [or]

Other marketable debt instruments: e.g.
Central government debt instruments
Debt instruments issued by central banks
Local and regional government debt instruments
Supranational debt instruments
Covered bank bonds
Credit institutions debt instruments
Debt instruments issued by corporate and other issuers
Asset-backed securities



So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 4th, 2011 at 02:10:42 AM EST
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Are they not remunerated for making the required deposits, and is that remuneration not now, effectively, the EONIA rate and the same as they would get for depositing "excess reserves" with the ECB.

No,  from the diary:

(BuBa sez:) ... credit institutions' holdings of required reserves are remunerated. The remuneration corresponds to the marginal rate (weighted according to the number of calendar days) of the main refinancing operations during the reserve maintenance period.
That is, the Repo rate, currently 1%
This rate is therefore very close to the short-term money market rates.
No, they are not any more since the short-term money market rates has been close to the Deposit rate for the last 28 months, and the latter has been at 0.25% since mid-2009.

What do you mean by "in the aggregate"?

I mean taking the baking system as a whole, viewing it as a single borrower from the ECB and the interbank lending rate as a "frictional" cost arising from dividing up the banking system into a number of institutions. The ECB doesn't lend at 0.25%, it lends at 1% or 1.75%. It remunerates at 0.25% - the fact that it remunerates required reserves at the same rate as the Repo means that you can meet your reserve requirements by repo'ing "elligible collateral".

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 4th, 2011 at 05:08:49 AM EST
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If I understand correctly, the baseline rate of EONIA is currently established by the rate that the ECB PAYS depositors and that this is likely because the healthy banks are reluctant to lend overnight at higher rates to bad banks and instead deposit excess cash at the ECB for the minimal depository rate. THEY WILL LEND OVERNIGHT TO GOOD RISK BANKS, but, due to the relative surplus of cash compared to creditworthy borrowers, this tends to be very close to or at the depository rate. This establishes the  (green line) depository rate as the baseline for EONIA.

This is my reading too.

But the less healthy banks don't have excess reserves to deposit at the ECB and, in fact, have to borrow at the end of the maintenance period in order to have enough reserves to meet requirements. This drives up the rates in the heartbeat spike pattern shown.

This is not my reading, but it is not impossible that you are correct.

My reading is that EONIA is now completely decoupled from the MRO. Meaning that the bad banks don't borrow on EONIA at all - they borrow directly from the ECB. Which is why the ECB's liquidity support is being tapped so heavily. Which is what is getting Die Seriöse Leute's knickers in a twist. Under this reading, the spikes are due to banks being unable to predict precisely how much reserves they'll need. Since the banks who have excess reserves at the end of a maintenance period can always just leave them at the ECB for 0.25 %, they have the banks who underestimated their reserve needs over a barrel, and can demand more than 0.25 %

(Whereas in the normal course of operations, where EONIA is centred around the MRO rate, the banks needing reserves will sometimes have the banks with excess reserves over a barrel, because the banks as a whole overestimated their reserve needs, and there is room for EONIA to drop.)

But your reading is also possible: It is possible that the good (old boys') banks who are not generally prepared to lend overnight to the bad banks are willing to do so on the final day of the maintenance period, for some reason. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any, but that does not mean that one does not exist. The only way to really tell the two hypotheses apart would be to look a the volume data. But unfortunately that's proprietary.

If anything happens that decreases the reserves of most [good] banks, then fewer banks will have excess reserves to deposit at the depository rates and more will have to borrow reserves for longer periods of time. This increased demand for overnight loans will drive up EONIA and keep it up longer, depending on the severity of the problem.

Yes. With the caveat that draining liquidity should also thin the volume on EONIA, and thinner volume would be expected, all else being equal, to lead to increased volatility. And since EONIA is bounded at the low end by the deposit rate, the volatility would have to manifest in a trend towards higher rates.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Mar 3rd, 2011 at 10:34:44 AM EST
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JakeS:
Since the banks who have excess reserves at the end of a maintenance period can always just leave them at the ECB for 0.25 %, they have the banks who underestimated their reserve needs over a barrel, and can demand more than 0.25 %

Aha, thus the spikes down as well as up pre 15/10/08.

On the subject of spikes down, what happened in the fall of 2001 to cause EONIA to drop below MRO?

Should be unpossible - realted to 9/11?

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Mar 3rd, 2011 at 02:57:19 PM EST
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September 18 to October 16, 2001. Bottom was on September 20-21.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 3rd, 2011 at 03:29:37 PM EST
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Is EONIA set solely by decision of the ECB, or can market forces move it even absent agreement of the ECB. I have thought both at different times.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Mar 3rd, 2011 at 08:10:56 PM EST
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It's an average of actual transactions, calculated by the ECB.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Mar 4th, 2011 at 01:58:42 AM EST
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From the diary:
Eonia® (Euro OverNight Index Average) is an effective overnight rate computed as a weighted average of all overnight unsecured lending transactions in the interbank market, initiated within the euro area by the contributing panel banks.
It's a market rate - the ECB doesn't get to set the position of EONIA within the Depo-Repo-Marginal band of policy rates, though in time of crisis they have a major influence on it through the liquidity conditions as we're seeing.

I emphasize in time of crisis because, prior to June 2000, refinancing operations were also on an unlimited tender and yet the interbank rate had its baseline on the Repo rate, not the Deposit rate.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 4th, 2011 at 02:07:56 AM EST
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But "within the Depo-Repo-Marginal band of policy rates" is itself a rather important point. The ECB could set the deposit rate equal to (or only very slightly below) the repo rate if it didn't like EONIA decoupling too far from the repo rate (EONIA should not normally remain above the repo rate for an extended period of time, so it doesn't need to set the penalty rate as close to the MRO rate).

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Mar 4th, 2011 at 02:25:46 AM EST
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The ECB likes its bands symmetric about the Repo rate. It also likes them 1% wide in either direction.

You know, these kinds of cutesy rules of thumb are no way to run monetary policy. How much do we pay these people? (Apart from the perk of appointing them high priests of the economic religion?)

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 4th, 2011 at 03:57:50 AM EST
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EONIA is a market rate, so it can move independently of explicit ECB actions. However,

  1. It cannot go below the ECB's deposit rate, since at that rate the lenders could simply dump their cash at the ECB.

  2. It can only go above the ECB's penalty rate if borrowers have no sound assets to pledge at the discount window. This should cause enough concern for potential lenders to effectively prohibit it.

  3. Under non-crisis conditions, arbitrage should centre EONIA on the MRO rate when there are insufficient reserves in the banking system to meet regulatory requirements, and on the deposit rate when there are excess reserves over the regulatory requirement.

It's point 3) that's been getting our knickers in a twist for the past few days. Under non-crisis conditions point 3) means that

  1. It shouldn't be possible to have both high volume on the discount window and excess liquidity in the EONIA system (as indicated by EONIA being substantially below the MRO rate for an extended period of time).

  2. EONIA shouldn't be looking like a cardiac arrest.

The fact that there is and it does means that there's a crisis. We've been trying to figure out what sort of crisis. Trichet (and the Conventional Wisdom along with him) seems to be labouring under the impression that European banks have taken to the habit of borrowing at one percent in order to lend at a quarter of a percent. We find this claim somewhat less than perfectly reasonable. While bankers may not possess the omniscience usually attributed to them by the Conventional Wisdom, they are not that stupid.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Mar 4th, 2011 at 02:09:05 AM EST
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Is this the "takeaway from policymakers" we've been looking for?

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 4th, 2011 at 02:21:01 AM EST
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"What sort of crisis?" seems to be remaining business.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Mar 4th, 2011 at 05:19:27 AM EST
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A systemic banking solvency crisis. At least one ECB official sees it.

UPDATE 1-ECB official-peripheral banks still dependent on ECB | Reuters (March 3, 2011)

The euro zone money market is polarised with banks in peripheral euro zone countries still dependent on the European Central Bank for liquidity, the ECB's head of market operations Francesco Papadia said on Thursday.

Papadia, who oversees the ECB's crisis strategy and controversial government bond purchase programme, said the money market remained split between banks who have access to open markets and those who do not.

He urged reliant banks to come up with ways to end their dependency on the ECB, calling national governments to take action where necessary.

This is where we get to say "policy makers should solve the banking crisis by auditing, restructuring and recapitalizing their banking systems".

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 4th, 2011 at 05:42:05 AM EST
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Agreed. I don't know whether we can get a more precise handle on the who-what-when-how of interbank lending since last July.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Mar 4th, 2011 at 06:54:22 AM EST
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I doubt we'll get closer to the "who." That will probably not be made public even when (if) they start sending in the forensic accountants.

The what, how and when, maybe. But I think we have a workable hypothesis which measures up well enough with the data to be able to shoot down the conventional wisdom.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Mar 4th, 2011 at 10:30:10 AM EST
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of the discussion n this thread, adding to the initial diary, might be a good thing...

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Mar 6th, 2011 at 05:33:04 AM EST
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The conclusion was already a "speculation" at the end of the diary:
Another implication is that banks are covering all their liquidity needs at the MRO rather than borrowing from each other at EONIA, which is strange given that EONIA is so much lower. This might mean that the amount actually offered at EONIA is relatively small, so while banks are receiving liquidity from the ECB they're actually hoarding it. A possible mechanism for EONIA to become decoupled form the MRO is a segmentation of the banking sector into (at least) two groups. One group of banks, the good old boys, are trusted by other banks and so borrow cheaply at EONIA (here's where we recall the observation that even under the heightened interbank volatility conditions of late the EONIA rate manages to touch back down near the deposit rate baseline some days - and remember also that EONIA is a weighted average of actual transactions). The banks other banks don't trust are financing themselves at the repo and marginal rates (that is, from the Central Bank, currently at 1% weekly and 1.75% daily, and on good collateral). The banks most everyone trusts are financing themselves at the repo and EONIA rates (1% weekly at the ECB on good collateral, and daily at the low rate they charge each other, without collateral). However, the volume available for EONIA lending among the trusted banks is dwindling because they are putting it in "sterilising" deposits at the ECB.
What we have is a collection of evidence that needs to be summarised.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 6th, 2011 at 05:40:12 AM EST
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Damn. I'm still looking for a plausible villain for my book.

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by eurogreen on Sun Mar 6th, 2011 at 07:47:14 AM EST
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