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I truly wish i had known of this diary when I shared some Bordeaux with the author an hour or so ago. There might have been some points to make, and some discussion. But we mostly spoke of offshore wind.

Isn't it a bit too soon to postulate that radiation leaks don't kill people. (Don't we already have one worker death?... though that could be my error in attempting to parse so much detail in such a short time.)

And isn't there a discog between how the French technocracy deals with problems as compared to shipping nukes to the countries which give us disposable underwear that unravels after the seventh wash?

My point has always been, and remains to be, that in the last two hundred years (or 2,000) there hasn't been one decade without serious social disruption. And we guarantee nuclear security how? for how long?

i'm reminded of my debate with the VP Nuclear for GE, filmed for some film, where i likened him to the guy who jumps out the high rise window, and halfway down, yells, "So far so good."

There will be a hell of a lot of pontificating on all sides over the next weeks, with a very low signal to noise ratio. Methinks we all really should let the rads settle, and events unfold, before we decide what to do.

Though i will say i've watched a few windpower meltdowns in my day, well, they didn't melt, they just sort of spun too quickly, and fell down somewhat twisted. Didn't seem to endanger civilization as a whole.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Mar 13th, 2011 at 06:25:27 PM EST
Don't we already have one worker death?

He fell from a smokestack.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 13th, 2011 at 06:30:11 PM EST
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See, SEE??? Nukes are dangerous! You wouldn't see anybody falling off a wind turbine, or getting fried by a mis-aimed solar collector mirror, or drowning in a hydroelectric supply lake.

NO NUKES!

by asdf on Sun Mar 13th, 2011 at 06:34:44 PM EST
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TEPCO: Plant Status of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station (as of 9pm March 13th)
Casualty
- 2 workers of cooperative firm were injured at the occurrence of
  the earthquake, and were transported to the hospital.
- 1 TEPCO employee who was not able to stand by his own with his hand
  holding left chest was transported to the hospital by an ambulance.
- 1 subcontract worker at important earthquake-proof building was
  unconscious and transported to the hospital by an ambulance.
- The radiation exposure of 1 TEPCO employee, who was working inside
  the reactor building, exceeded 100mSv and was transported to
  the hospital.
- 2 TEPCO employees felt bad during their operation in the central
  control rooms of Unit 1 and 2 while wearing full masks, and were
  transferred to Fukushima Daini Power Station for consultation with
  a medical advisor.
- 4 workers were injured and transported to the hospital after explosive
  sound and white smoke were confirmed around the Unit 1.
- Presence of 2 TEPCO employees at the site are not confirmed


So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 13th, 2011 at 06:46:54 PM EST
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TEPCO: Plant Status of Fukushima Daini Nuclear Power Station (as of 11pm March 12th)
A seriously injured worker who had been trapped in the crane operating
console of the exhaust stack was transported to the ground at 5:13pm and
confirmed dead at 5:17pm. We sincerely pray for the repose of his soul.
A worker was lightly injured spraining his left ankle and cutting both
knees when he fell while walking at the site. The worker has returned to
work after medical treatment and rest.
This is the latest press release for Dai-Ni mentioning any casualties.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 13th, 2011 at 06:56:17 PM EST
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To be fair, there are a couple of wind turbine deaths/yr. ~Increasing since China came on board. (to be doubly fair, way less than the normal utility industry.)

They're bad, like electrocution, or fires, or falling. But generally not affecting the progeny's genetic code.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Mar 13th, 2011 at 06:46:12 PM EST
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There is one employee of TEPCO reported with radiation exposure. All other casualties are normal injuries.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 13th, 2011 at 06:48:08 PM EST
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Yes, is it not also true that there are already bystanders with rad exposure?

And isn't a fair amount of rad exposure science brought to you by the folks who KNOW there is no danger to the ecosystem from the release of genetically altered flora?

from a technical standpoint, and nuclear is somewhat technical, the reason we put blowout preventers on undersea oil wells is to prevent blowouts.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Mar 13th, 2011 at 06:54:28 PM EST
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Yes, Japan nuclear alert and earthquake - Saturday 12 March
The safety agency also warned that the number of individuals exposed to radiation from the plant could reach as high as 160.
But the number confirmed is 22.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 13th, 2011 at 07:03:19 PM EST
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To be fair, it is hard to see how GMOs could be harmful if the proper pre-approval studies (rate of spread, rate of interbreeding with local flora, etc.) are done to ascertain that it is not behaving as an invasive species.

The problem here is that I don't trust the regulatory authorities to do their jobs, not that I don't trust the technology. The fact that GMOs have been pushed in the WTO as if it were a trade issue rather than a regulatory compliance issue does not endear me to the idea either.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Mar 14th, 2011 at 08:23:17 AM EST
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When wind turbines melt down, they just get recycled.

But the optics of this say it all. Only in a few hard core countries who either want bomb grade material, or else who have governmental addiction to the nuke establishment as well as a feeling that they are already in too deep. So much for the Frank Zappa argument:

"it can't happen here"

Looks like japan will finally have to get serious about wind turbines and geothermal.

Check this awesome post from The Oil Drum:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7638#more

Nb41

by nb41 on Mon Mar 14th, 2011 at 12:25:25 AM EST
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Crazy Horse:

Isn't it a bit too soon to postulate that radiation leaks don't kill people.

Just saw a Swedish professor of nuclear safety on the tv and he thought it was to early to call, might still be a meltdown.

Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se

by A swedish kind of death on Mon Mar 14th, 2011 at 05:28:26 PM EST
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