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I feel uneasy as can be seen from my other comments.

I have severe doubts about bombing for peace. In theory I understand it, but in practice once started it will take a life of its own. After cheerleading it, media will back this no matter how horrible the western actions get. Head of state will act from reasons of prestige, military from institutional interests and governments will always have an eye towards economic benefit of to the state closly related companies.

Also it is an obvious double standard when looking at what happens elsewhere in the region, and I suspect that ties together in war games run by Pentagon strategists. Libya is unimportant in a strategic perspective, Saudi Arabia, the gulf states, Iraq, Iran, Egypt - those are the important ones.

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by A swedish kind of death on Fri Mar 18th, 2011 at 06:20:17 PM EST
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An hour ago, Germany's new defense minister gave reasons for Germany's abstention in an IMHO rather undiplomatic interview. He spoke about the dictator ensuring that there will be civilian dead, that ultimately ground troops would be needed, and that it is hypocritical to want to remove Ghaddafi only and do nothing in a lot of other places (I think he listed Sudan and Ivory Coast among others). (The journalist asked him if that's a prediction of disaster for the allies.) Then there was a quip about allies who previously courted Ghaddafi now rushing to the forefront, clearly aimed at Sarko.

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Mar 18th, 2011 at 06:28:35 PM EST
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Anoter reason to be glad Googleburg is gone.

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by A swedish kind of death on Fri Mar 18th, 2011 at 07:08:13 PM EST
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Where did he give that interview? Got a link?

Schengen is toast!
by epochepoque on Mon Mar 21st, 2011 at 11:47:39 AM EST
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Heute Journal on ZDF (18:20-22:25, or use the "Geschpräch mit Verteidigungsminister De Maziere" tab).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Mar 21st, 2011 at 02:42:56 PM EST
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Thanks

Schengen is toast!
by epochepoque on Mon Mar 21st, 2011 at 04:11:48 PM EST
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I note that if he wants to be consequent, he should withdraw troops from Afghanistan today.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Mar 21st, 2011 at 04:26:21 PM EST
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2 million barrels per day of high quality light sweet oil in the Mediterranean (ie, nobody can grab it if we want it) is rather important for Europe... We can find other sources, but we have to fight for these with Asia and America, whereas Libya can only realistically go to Europe (just like Russian oil)

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Mar 19th, 2011 at 02:52:32 PM EST
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For Pentagon :)

But actually, since whoever is in charge will sell to Europe, the ruler(s) does not matter much, do they?

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by A swedish kind of death on Sat Mar 19th, 2011 at 04:49:10 PM EST
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It does matter. Political upheaval always depresses oil output, permanently. Oilquake in the Middle East:

Here, however, is the news that should be on the front pages of newspapers everywhere: That old oil order is dying, and with its demise we will see the end of cheap and readily accessible petroleum -- forever.

... One conclusion isn't hard to draw: Efforts by outsiders to control the political order in the Middle East for the sake of higher oil output will inevitably generate countervailing pressures that result in diminished production. The United States and other powers watching the uprisings, rebellions, and protests blazing through the Middle East should be wary indeed: whatever their political or religious desires, local populations always turn out to harbor a fierce, passionate hostility to foreign domination and, in a crunch, will choose independence and the possibility of freedom over increased oil output.



Schengen is toast!
by epochepoque on Mon Mar 21st, 2011 at 11:30:17 AM EST
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