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I am afraid we haven't seen anything yet...and not only in Libya...
Everything that happens seems to me like a big mess...big confusion...not much logic can be used in these events in Arab world as far as I am concerned. First of all I do not see what would be western interest in those events (to initiate them)...those (except Kaddafi with whom they worked well) are western friendly dictators. Then who exactly initiated them? And why? Is it really spontaneous rebellion? I do not believe in those...Even if it is it will not work because of the lack of organization.  Sectarian clashes in a wake of this will be horrific...did they initiate this? Who will come in power even if those regimes are gone (and rightly)? Can we expect worse (fundamentalists)?
Is the reaction of west instinctive without much of the planning? Are they simply going to add to this mess? How many people will die in a process?
I just cannot make any logical conclusions...


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by vbo on Fri Mar 18th, 2011 at 10:42:20 PM EST
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Then who exactly initiated them? And why? Is it really spontaneous rebellion? I do not believe in those...Even if it is it will not work because of the lack of organization.

I think everybody is initiating them, or rather that every organisation that potentially could (commies, fundies, unions) do an uprising is taking credit and helping as the rebellions erupt from frustration, starvation, unemployment and the belief that finally the time has come.

Big part is demographics coupled with IMF-style economics, giving huge unemployment. Lots and lots of unemployed young men. Education matters little, contacts much. Like what was said about Russia in the early 20th century - they face revolution at home or war abroad (tried one, got both).

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by A swedish kind of death on Sat Mar 19th, 2011 at 08:02:10 AM EST
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A swedish kind of death:
I think everybody is initiating them, or rather that every organisation that potentially could (commies, fundies, unions) do an uprising is taking credit and helping as the rebellions erupt from frustration, starvation, unemployment and the belief that finally the time has come.

Nailed. herding all these cats into a viable political alternative to dictatorship is going to be interesting.

the long messy discussions are what slows democracy down, but the alternative seems always worse.

do not destroy what you cannot create.

that is the rule. now, how to break it correctly. we can all help, that's the beautiful thing... in reality we have no choice.

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by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Mar 20th, 2011 at 05:57:30 AM EST
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