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This isn't just because they are untrained, There are countless examples of Anti aircraft gunners shooting their own aircraft down (in one example off the coast of Libya during WW2, a British convoy managed to shoot down its entire fighter escort)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Mar 19th, 2011 at 01:57:43 PM EST
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Fire discipline.  They ain't got none.

sigh

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sat Mar 19th, 2011 at 02:03:35 PM EST
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Well in the opposite direction Churchill is quoted saying something like the average pilot couldnt tell the difference between the bismark and the isle of White ferry.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Mar 19th, 2011 at 02:07:03 PM EST
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Yup.

That's why these things can't be ad-hoc'ed.  Command and Control needs to tight when you've got people armed to the teeth, tanked-up on adrenaline, making almost instant life and death decisions.  Pilots who linger over a target area tend to be dead pilots.  They need to get in & out as quickly as possible; thus, they have to rely on their controllers for "situational awareness" -- as it's known.


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sat Mar 19th, 2011 at 02:31:31 PM EST
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good thing libya doesn't have nuke plants! surprised areva hadn't built any there yet, lol.

innumerable replays of kaddaffi's demented railings are really getting old.

interesting how they couldn't use drones, since they're so happy to drop them on afpak.

even reagan's botched attempts on kaddaffi's family looks more humanitarian than the possible tarpit-occupation-in-the-making we're watching now.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Mar 20th, 2011 at 06:17:16 AM EST
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melo:
surprised areva hadn't built any there yet, lol.

Nuke plants were supposedly sold to Libya (and trumpeted), but Gaddafi never signed the contracts.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 20th, 2011 at 07:23:04 AM EST
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Another reason the NFZ enforcing aircraft need to be real careful of their attack and run-off avenues.  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sat Mar 19th, 2011 at 02:08:39 PM EST
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i wonder if the plane came from a defector, did they change the painted logo, or just throw it back in the air against the tyrant? maybe they thought it was his...

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Mar 20th, 2011 at 06:12:28 AM EST
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