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Seems clear Gadaffi's "smooth move" - see my comment, above - has failed.  

Now he has reinforced (?) mechanized (?) units stuck in the middle of nowhere, with little chance of reinforcement or logistic support.  They have to be physically drained after yesterday's combat, last night's movement, and today's combat.  They are very likely low on munitions and other combat supplies.  

How many of the survive the night depends on how many planes the French and other air forces can put into the target area and how many those planes want to kill.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sat Mar 19th, 2011 at 02:01:56 PM EST
Didn't the mechanized units move into the outskirts of Benghazi, ensuring civilian casualties?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Mar 19th, 2011 at 02:06:39 PM EST
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Reports are they were repulsed and retreated back into the countryside.

Over the last month, the standard pattern has been for the regime to attack using ground forces at first light and pull back at night.  With no "front lines" keeping infantry and armor, in a city, at night, is dumb.  (For a number of reasons.)

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sat Mar 19th, 2011 at 02:12:29 PM EST
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After posting, heard on Al Jazeera there are Gadaffi tanks, etc., inside Benghazi.

If there are, and they aren't reinforced or withdrawn tomorrow, they aren't going to be militarily useful for very long.  Armor in urban areas are extremely vulnerable to swarm tactics by motivated defenders.  The revolutionaries lack many things, motivation is not one of them.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sat Mar 19th, 2011 at 02:21:58 PM EST
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Additionally, they might still be hittable by the jets, depending on the kind of area they in.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Mar 19th, 2011 at 02:26:23 PM EST
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Aerial target acquisition in urban areas is extremely difficult.  Even with trained, disciplined, defenders individuals and sub-units tend to stray from where they are supposed to be or mis-report their position.

Even more important, the one thing that cannot happen is "collateral damage" on the people the NFZ is supposed to protect.

The best thing is to let the revolutionaries deal with Gadaffi forces inside the urban areas.  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sat Mar 19th, 2011 at 02:35:40 PM EST
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Al Jazeera reporter in Benghazi saying all Gadaffi forces have been repelled from the city.


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sat Mar 19th, 2011 at 03:05:48 PM EST
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Rock and a hard place really, isn't it?  If you stay in the city, you get ambushed by the rebels.  If you stay outside the city, you're an easy target for the French.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Mar 19th, 2011 at 03:12:56 PM EST
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Sucks to be them, don't it?

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sat Mar 19th, 2011 at 03:18:20 PM EST
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Does not the French Air Force have nighttime combat ability, including ground attack. On IR those tanks should stand out like spotlights. If so, all of Gadaffi's vehicles could be gone by tomorrow.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Mar 19th, 2011 at 05:32:15 PM EST
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I'm sure they have the capability.  France spends a fair amount of money on its military, and being a close ally of ours, it's tough to imagine them not having it.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Mar 19th, 2011 at 05:41:12 PM EST
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Drew J Jones:
and being a close ally of ours

oceania has always been at peace with insert country's name...

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by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Mar 20th, 2011 at 06:19:20 AM EST
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Things are really going to get nasty for the regime forces if/when the Tornado ground-attack planes get active.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sat Mar 19th, 2011 at 05:42:04 PM EST
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