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True Battle of Chernobyl

It doesn't matter that Chernobyl can't happen in the West, and no matter your views, this hour and a half must be a part of every discussion. To watch Gorby and Hans Blix spin this, juxtaposed against what seems to actually have happened, is simply mind-boggling.

That there are no follow-up studies is criminal. that the sarcophagus is already crumbling is a problem for all of civilization, even more so here in Yurp.

At least until more of you spend the time to see this, i'm speechless. and wondering what the counter arguments will be.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 06:31:37 PM EST
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othe two most telling pieces in it are the bit where theyre talking about the western nuclear powers demanding that the mortality figures be decreased by a factor of ten, and the piece where Gorbachov's talking about Nuclear weapons.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 06:41:59 PM EST
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I was also surprised by the lengths France went to deny the cloud had passed over them, at least then. I was also surprised by the doctor who began to study radiation deformities from animals eating contaminated grass being sent to prison.

I was also surprised by the courage of the engineers who tried to contain the disaster.

In light of maracatu's video (open thread tonight) of the more than 2,000 nuclear tests, not a few of them atmospheric, i wonder about what counts as normal background radiation from the pro-nuke side.

i'm wondering what poisonous gems have been hidden by the British gov on the Windscale "event."

And i really wonder about the people who can't get their heads around the lack of difference between nuclear weapons and nuclear power. It's not about technical disconnection between the two, or how safe producing power has now become, it's about the civilization's inability to deal with what's unleashed.

i know what i'm talking about. windpower has studied wind turbine loads for decades, over hundreds of thousands of turbines. we've had tens of thousands of top engineers investigating all anomalies, and incorporating that into design criteria. and we still lost an entire rotor on a 2.1 MW turbine a coupladaysago.

it seems you can't fight technological hubris with data, or logic.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 07:00:23 PM EST
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Three things shocked me - I had no idea how close it came to going from what it was to "Europe uninhabitable" bad, the French government denial, and that there is a whole lot of plutonium in there.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 07:35:34 PM EST
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Right, it's as if we were not ever told the actual situation.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 07:47:15 PM EST
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I was nine at the time so I have no idea what we were told. I just remember seeing the blown up plant on TV.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 07:54:05 PM EST
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Im sure Ive said before, I have a friend who used to go and fish off the beach in Cardigan bay, one day he hauled in a  yellow and black Buoy, so went to the local pub to tell the locals that he had pulled up what he thought was a channel marker.

They told him that they recovered these all the time, and that theyre regularly thrown into the water outfall at Windscale/Sellafield and they just want  the card in the back posted back to them so they can tell where the currents are going.

Since then he's stuck to river fishing.

There are persistent rumours of higher than expected cancer rates in the Irish sea coastal areas, but ive never seen any proof.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 09:15:54 PM EST
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