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UK sources suggesting command of operation might be taken by a hybrid - not a straight NATO operation but using their structures

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NATO meeting now to hammer out structure but 'it s difficult' - particularly getting Turks on board-they weren't invited to Paris summit


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 06:55:04 AM EST
This is demonstrating that the EU's defence structures are not worth the time that has been devoted to building them.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 07:15:18 AM EST
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Well, they are of limited use as offensive structures.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 02:48:04 PM EST
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They have been putting together "battlegroups" and command and control structures for crises, and rapid reaction forces and all that good stuff... This kind of crisis seems like the perfect setting to try them out. But then all we have is Ashton making platitudes about how there's a common policy which will be implemented individually at each member state's pace.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 02:53:58 PM EST
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The important thing is to support each state's armaments industry, it would seem. If they want to keep the funds flowing they had better get SOME operational capability soon. The Libyan episode will make it obvious that they don't have that capability.

But, if they did, how likely would it be that it would be deployed in this circumstance? How many nations have to agree and which nation?

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 05:08:15 PM EST
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The political unity required for Ashton to commit to a collective European response simply isn't there. The only people who can order European punitive expeditions and expect compliance are the US State Department. And while I detest the fact that the US can order around European militaries, the fact that the EU has no ability to commit to independent offencive operations does not strike me as unequivocally bad.

That said, most individual European member states seem to be joining the effort to ground Comrade Qaddafi's air force. The Danish parliament OK'ed it unanimously. You can count the number of unanimous votes in the Danish parliament in living memory on the fingers of one hand and still have some left over, so this is in itself rather remarkable.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 06:47:59 PM EST
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ARGeezer:
The important thing is to support each state's armaments industry, it would seem.
Oh, yeah, the EU spends a lot of time negotiating rules about "procurement".

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 23rd, 2011 at 05:07:38 AM EST
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Of course they do.

It's the only form of industrial policy that isn't Unserious.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Mar 23rd, 2011 at 10:14:44 AM EST
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The Libyan TNC should have dispatched their most prominent and prestigious willing citizen to Turkey to lobby for a more forthcoming attitude by the Turks.  

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 02:47:05 PM EST
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