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Globalist crimes against humanity expanded over Libya - www.activistpost.com

The Libyan rebellion began on February 17, 2011 after a call from London based Libyan opposition leaders of the NCLO for a "Day of Rage" (Arabic link: use Google Translator). The call was fashioned after the US State Department recruited, trained, funded, and supported uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt. The most recent admission of US involvement in the "Arab Spring" came from Hillary Clinton herself who admitted the US State Department, the Department of Defense, and the Broadcasting Board of Governors have been funding tech firms providing the revolutions with tools to circumvent cyber security employed by various Western targeted regimes.

by xurxo on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 11:18:21 AM EST

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You are not increasing your credibility by posting links to green-ink websites like activistpost.

From their current "most viewed articles:"

TODAY'S MOST VIEWED ARTICLES
Japan's Nuclear Crisis Debacle and the Depopulation Agenda
The Surprising PNAC Connection to Libya
HAARP Data Says Japan Quake was Induced
5 Theories Why We're Experiencing Increased Earthquake Activity
Libyan War: Globalists Bluffing Their Way To Victory
Libya: Another War, Another Pack of Lies
Obama Starts Another Illegal War, Rangel Calls For Draft
3 Ways To Protect Yourself From Radiation NATURALLY
Radiation Protection, Now and Long Term
How to Become a World Class Survivalist in 5 Simple Steps

Of the six articles in that list not related to Libya, I count two clear-cut conspiracy theories, and two more that set off my tinfoil allergy.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 11:28:21 AM EST
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Shall I refer to Rupert Murdoch's media? Is it there where credibility rests for you?

by xurxo on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 11:35:03 AM EST
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May I suggest that you post your analysis of the Libya situation as a diary?

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 11:47:53 AM EST
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No, need to. I am just enrage by the hypocrisy of those in power in Spain. It is got to my nerves. But it is such a beautiful afternoon and there is no oil underground here. I think I will go and pry for Zapatero to suffer some incurable disease, so he can not join Aznar in living the good life that awaits those that served well the International Crime Syndicate (how is that for a conspiracy?).

by xurxo on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 12:11:07 PM EST
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xurxo:

No, need to.

Why? Because the case is self-evident or because there is no case?

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 12:12:59 PM EST
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Well, in my opinion western corporate media lost all credibility in the last decade; The war on terror, the financial ponzi pyramid happened not so long ago (still on). How did corporate media covered those? What about the meme financials are the economy? How about saving financial institutions as workers rights go back a 100 years? Where where El Pais, El Mundo, ABC, Fox, The Guardian, Der Spiegel, NBC? Did they or did they not provided the cover up for such world changing events? These corporate mediums really deserve our trust...
So, in this thread I see almost only one side of the story (corporate media's, IN MY OPINION). That makes me uneasy.
The only reason I said no need to is because I realized I am wasting my time; The only thing is, if you want someone to go away patronizing him may be not the best idea.
Salud.

by xurxo on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 02:39:02 PM EST
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Is twitter corporate media?

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 02:46:14 PM EST
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I think twitter is a fish tank for corporations. By corporations I also mean states. Did I say only corporate media was used?
U.S. State Department speaks to Twitter over Iran - Reuters

by xurxo on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 03:18:25 PM EST
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xurxo:

So, in this thread I see almost only one side of the story (corporate media's, IN MY OPINION). That makes me uneasy.
The only reason I said no need to is because I realized I am wasting my time; The only thing is, if you want someone to go away patronizing him may be not the best idea.

Which is why

I suggest that you post your analysis of the Libya situation as a diary

But if you think that's patronizing...

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 02:48:33 PM EST
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What do you think of Al Jazeera? (I think that was the most quoted corporate news source in the Libya diaries on ET.)

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by DoDo on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 03:20:43 PM EST
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Al Jazeera is a beacon of freedom in a country ruled by an absolute monarchy.

by xurxo on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 03:53:58 PM EST
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It also quite obviously opposes Ghaddafi, supports the rebels and supports the NFZ. And also supported the other Arab revolutions which your conspiracy theory article claimed to be fake revolutions engineered by the USA.

Like in the case of Hezbollah, it seems you have too simple a view of interests and players.

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by DoDo on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 05:02:32 PM EST
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You are aware that there are outlets that are neither far-right propaganda sites nor tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists, right? Surely you realise that one does not have to trust the benevolence of the American government in order to mistrust the analytical acumen and basic sanity of green-ink websites that use terms like "globalist conspiracy."

Or, in other words, I'll take a third option.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 12:36:38 PM EST
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"You are aware that there are outlets that are neither far-right propaganda sites nor tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists, right?"
This I call patronizing. I am aware thank you very much.
By the way using the tinfoil argument it is a great way of having a civilized discussion; next to calling someone anti-Semite if he opposes Israel ethnic cleansing, or nazi if he just opposes your opinion on anything.
Like it or not there is not only one view on this war (sorry! no fly zone humanitarian campaign) and for your consideration lies and propaganda have been used before in the path to convincing the masses to cheer for war. (That is patronizing too, because of course you do know this. My apologies)

by xurxo on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 03:32:11 PM EST
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These two sound pretty much insane, you have to admit:

HAARP Data Says Japan Quake was Induced
Japan's Nuclear Crisis Debacle and the Depopulation Agenda

...and this one is borderline:

5 Theories Why We're Experiencing Increased Earthquake Activity

Regarding patronizing, you did worse by accusing others to trust Murdoch media just because they don't trust your sources.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 03:43:03 PM EST
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Sorry, this sinner can not follow you.

"HAARP Data Says Japan Quake was Induced
Japan's Nuclear Crisis Debacle and the Depopulation Agenda

...and this one is borderline:

5 Theories Why We're Experiencing Increased Earthquake Activity"

I am afraid you are barking at wrong dog.

by xurxo on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 03:58:13 PM EST
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What is that supposed to mean? Do you think all of those claims are sane?... And do you think there is an increase in earthquake activity in need of theories?

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 04:59:27 PM EST
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Aaaagh had to spend an hour yesterday explaining why his Haarp theory that the US had caused the Japanese earthquake seemed utter madness

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 04:19:20 PM EST
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"You are aware that there are outlets that are neither far-right propaganda sites nor tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists, right?"
This I call patronizing. I am aware thank you very much.

You presented a false dichotomy. Either I accepted your tinfoil covered source, or I accepted the Murdoch press. Now you admit that you knowingly presented a false dichotomy.

If that's the standard of your reasoning, then you are not raising the signal-to-noise ratio of the discussion.

By the way using the tinfoil argument it is a great way of having a civilized discussion; next to calling someone anti-Semite if he opposes Israel ethnic cleansing,

Put a link in there you might want to check before you toss around that sort of accusation.

Like it or not there is not only one view on this war

And you are entitled to your own opinion.

But on European Tribune, you are not entitled to your own facts. And you are not entitled to cite crazy conspiracy theorists as if they were credible sources.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 06:48:24 PM EST
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Could you explain why the U.S. would be interested in overthrowing friendly governments in the first place?

As for your link, I quote

2011: Late February NFSL/NCLO's Ibrahim Sahad is leading opposition rhetoric, literally in front of the White House in Washington D.C. Calls for no-fly zone in reaction to unsubstantiated accusations Qaddafi is strafing "unarmed protesters" with warplanes.

Looks at the video. To me, it looks as though he is "literally" in a studio, with a picture of the White House in the background.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 12:24:40 PM EST
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taking that comment about tech firms as proof that the west is behind the revolutions in Arab countries is laughable, makes nice PR for US tech firms, but the people on the ground involved would no doubt be insulted. The tech involved is a tremporary game changer for revolutionaries, but in the slightly longer term is an advantage for the state.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 12:28:04 PM EST
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Also, nevermind that in spite of all the talk about Facebook, the way the Egypt protest organizers circumvented cyber (and non-cyber) security was old-fashioned diversion, conspiracy and leafleting in an working-class neighbourhood (see here).

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 03:15:37 PM EST
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And note that they already had the organisational strenght of organising 21 demonstrations at the same time, so that the first 20 could tie-up the security forces. The building of that strenght appears to have taken years.

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by A swedish kind of death on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 05:04:20 PM EST
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This was an alliance of the youth groups of several opposition movements, not a new ad-hoc movement: I think the infrastructure for such organisation is less surprising.

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by DoDo on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 05:08:50 PM EST
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Yes, I meant that it is a further indication that facebook did not cause this.

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by A swedish kind of death on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 05:15:10 PM EST
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Ah, OK, I get you now.

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 05:19:03 PM EST
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So posting a link stands for proving something? I am not taking the time for reviewing your posts sorry. I am not that angry.
I do understand pack mentality; I also express my opinions as I feel them, which sometimes has the result of alienating people.
The truth is people is dying, and Europeans are still bringing civilization to countries that can not solve their own problems, those barbarians.
We just write democracy where our ancestors used to write God.

Now if you don't mind I have to go tell my grand children the story of how I assassinated Kennedy and introduced Elvis Presley to drugs.

by xurxo on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 04:16:06 PM EST
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So posting a link stands for proving something?

Do you even read the links you post? Ceebs was responding to claims in what you quoted from your link...

You have posted a link to a a video of an interview with George Galloway, in which he made some very strong arguments (along with some weaker ones) that basically shut up a hostile interviewee. Your own arguments weren't like that, and you post stuff indiscriminately, Galloway on one hand and conspiracy site garbage on the other hand, and some links you misinterpreted yourself (e.g. collateral damage).

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 at 05:18:07 PM EST
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