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Would there be any major noticeable detectable differences that would tell us that this was the MOX fuel in reactor 3  coming apart because of the Plutonium concentration? so is there a question or test that could be asked that would tell us it was or wasnt that reactor  just down to the detected  products?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Mar 25th, 2011 at 08:35:40 PM EST
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Wasn't this in the turbine room of No. 2?

At any rate, the increased seawater pollution would point at Iodine as the main radioactive contamination (no surprise there given half-lifes):

NHK WORLD English

The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said on Saturday that iodine 131 in excess of 1,250 times regulated standards was found in seawater collected 330 meters south of a plant water outlet at 8:30 AM on Friday.

The agency says there is no immediate threat to people within the 20-kilometer evacuation zone. The agency adds that as seawater is dispersed by ocean currents the contamination level will decline.

Iodine 131 at146.9 times regulated standards was detected in seawater in the area on Wednesday.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Mar 26th, 2011 at 03:06:46 AM EST
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Kyodo: Fears of radioactive seawater grow near nuke plant despite efforts (March 27)
On Thursday, three workers were exposed to water containing radioactive materials 10,000 times the normal level at the turbine building connected to the No. 3 reactor building.

On Friday, a pool of water with a similarly high concentration of radioactive materials was found in the No. 1 reactor's turbine building, causing some restoration work to be suspended.

Similar pools of water were also found in the turbine buildings of the No. 2 and No. 4 reactors, measuring up to 1 meter and 80 centimeters deep, respectively. Those near the No. 1 and No. 3 reactors were up to 40 cm and 1.5 meters deep, respectively.



So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Mar 26th, 2011 at 07:36:42 PM EST
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Does this mean the workers were wading in 1.5m of radioactive water from a MOX reactor?

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Mar 26th, 2011 at 07:47:06 PM EST
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One does not wade in 1.5m water! Are there any radiation wet suits?

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Mar 26th, 2011 at 11:56:30 PM EST
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The point is that the "water lapped over the edge of the boots" story may well be weapons-grade bullshit.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 27th, 2011 at 06:05:52 AM EST
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I'm right at 6' tall and have plenty of experience "standing" in water ~ 5' deep. I use quote marks around the word standing because I have little stability at that height, being so close to neutral buoyancy. I might charitably presume that these workers confined their activities to ankle deep water, but the risk of puncture of those crude plastic bag shoe covers is extreme and calls into question the judgment of those in charge. Foot high galoshes, or overshoes, would be appropriate for depths up to about 4" and hip boots up to perhaps 18". Above that the danger of slip and fall becomes too great, given the consequences. IMO. And the wet suit comment was sarcasm, but not directed towards you.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Mar 27th, 2011 at 06:53:58 AM EST
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I didn't take it as sarcasm. I wonder if anyone had thought that radiation suits would need to be used for immersion in radioactive water...

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 27th, 2011 at 11:46:56 AM EST
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Check this out:


So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 27th, 2011 at 06:25:51 AM EST
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I assume those are workers leaving the site of work. if you look at the ones at the back they dont have plastic bags over their feet. I think what has happened is theyve come straight from the site and on leaving the most controlled zone, theyve been made to step into bags and had them taped onto their legs while they walk to a point where more thorough decontamination is to occur so they don't leave radioactive footprints all over the site that also have to be cleaned up.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Mar 27th, 2011 at 08:01:05 AM EST
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That makes more sense than my guess that the bags were a quick and dirty improvised measure for walking in pools of contaminated water.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Mar 27th, 2011 at 12:54:32 PM EST
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That's what I thought at first, too.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 27th, 2011 at 01:55:43 PM EST
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Has it been determined that the photo is of workers leaving the facility for decontamination?

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Mar 27th, 2011 at 03:42:25 PM EST
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Nope.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 27th, 2011 at 04:51:51 PM EST
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Doesn't look like it:

These guys don't look like they're coming out and on their way to decontamination.

So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 27th, 2011 at 05:13:11 PM EST
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Your theory makes sense, however:

One subcontracted worker who laid cables for new electrical lines March 19 described chaotic conditions and lax supervision that made him nervous. Masataka Hishida said neither he nor the workers around him were given a dosimeter, a device used to measure one's exposure to radiation. He was surprised that workers were not given special shoes; rather, they were told to put plastic bags over their street shoes. When he was trying on the gas mask for the first time, he said the supervisor told him and other subcontractors, "Listen carefully, I'm only going to say this one time" while explaining how to use it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/radiation-levels-reach-new-highs-as-conditions-worsen-for-worker s/2011/03/27/AFsMLFiB_story.html

by asdf on Sun Mar 27th, 2011 at 03:08:23 PM EST
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See also:



So, in what may be my last act of "advising", I'll advise you to cut the jargon. -- My old PhD advisor, to me, 26/2/11

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 27th, 2011 at 05:14:52 PM EST
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