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Do not attempt to discuss with me the precise radiological likelihood of there being P239 there (which is slight). I am only posting a very cool photo. (This is not photoshop, this is a photo some aliens from the future took after they picked the Giza containment vessels and dropped them in Japan. Where they said, "Enough is enough with your civilization.")

I am sick and tired of graphs and data. I am sick and tired of arguments and facts. Mother Mary knows we've developed science to such high precision, and my windmills wouldn't have evolved without it.

But enough decision-making without real vision.

My wish for humanity? If you're so into logic and science, get with the program.

(ET moderation: in the interests of credibility, we have excised most of this comment, but because we thought the photo was cool, we let some sentences pass. We at ET are not responsible for the ravings of a madman.)

PS. Dear ET, while i respect your moderation, you should not have edited the comment. Eye mean, you left out the whole part about why the aliens decided to act as saviors of this wretched, forge-based civilization in the first place. Didn't you think the part about the aliens being jealous of YouTube democracy was contrapunctally contrite and to the punt?

But i won't quibble, nor schwank. After all, we've all seen the drone photos of where we are now.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri Apr 1st, 2011 at 05:44:10 PM EST
great pyramids or smaller ones?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Apr 1st, 2011 at 05:56:06 PM EST
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Do i look like an alien?

How would i know, i didn't even know there were great ones and small ones. the important point is whether the aliens can demonstrate it was the correct solution.

</smiley>

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri Apr 1st, 2011 at 06:05:46 PM EST
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PS. i'm now beginning to believe this is a photoshop, because the shadows don't match. I do thimk data is important too.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Fri Apr 1st, 2011 at 06:07:49 PM EST
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What do you mean the shadows don't match?

And yes, they are to scale. (See scales at the bottom left of each picture)

The shadows tell you the angle from which the picture was taken.

We should probably be able to triangulate the height of the satellite, too.

Economics is politics by other means

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Apr 2nd, 2011 at 05:20:42 AM EST
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You can shove like 3 empire state buildings into the volume of great pyramid, not?
by das monde on Fri Apr 1st, 2011 at 08:36:44 PM EST
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just over two (2.5 vs 1.1)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Apr 1st, 2011 at 09:40:50 PM EST
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(ET moderation: in the interests of credibility, we have excised most of this comment, but because we thought the photo was cool, we let some sentences pass. We at ET are not responsible for the ravings of a madman.)

PS. Dear ET, while i respect your moderation, you should not have edited the comment. Eye mean, you left out the whole part about why the aliens decided to act as saviors of this wretched, forge-based civilization in the first place. Didn't you think the part about the aliens being jealous of YouTube democracy was contrapunctally contrite and to the punt?

[ET Moderation Technology™]

I don't know if you realize this is insulting to ET's moderation style.

But since you're a madman, I suppose it's okay.

Economics is politics by other means

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Apr 2nd, 2011 at 05:11:46 AM EST
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In morning's light, it does disparage ET Moderation a bit, for which i'm sorry. In my defense, I'd hoped it was obvious these were the ravings of a mad man. (Plus i've developed a writing style where i have dialogue with a reputed editor.)

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sat Apr 2nd, 2011 at 07:08:18 AM EST
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Who is this "reputed" editor?

(Not me - Ed)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Apr 2nd, 2011 at 07:16:38 AM EST
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sane horse just doesn't have the same ring to it...

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Apr 3rd, 2011 at 08:23:25 AM EST
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Do not attempt to discuss with me the precise radiological likelihood of there being P239 there (which is slight).

What do you mean? The likelihood of "there being P239 there" is 100%.

Economics is politics by other means

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Apr 2nd, 2011 at 05:35:12 AM EST
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I was referring to quantity?

Or not.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sat Apr 2nd, 2011 at 07:09:02 AM EST
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Lots.

Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Apr 3rd, 2011 at 05:03:57 AM EST
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I am sick and tired of graphs and data. I am sick and tired of arguments and facts. Mother Mary knows we've developed science to such high precision, and my windmills wouldn't have evolved without it.

But enough decision-making without real vision.

What is vision without arguments or facts?

Economics is politics by other means

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Apr 2nd, 2011 at 05:36:59 AM EST
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The benefits of ALL fact-based arguments ultimately have to be judged intuitively. Logic is a process, not an outcome.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Apr 2nd, 2011 at 06:17:39 AM EST
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Intuitive arguments benefit from facts, and you don't get to disregard facts because they are inconvenient to the intuitive argument.

Or, rather, you do if you want, but if your intentions is to do whatever you damn well please anyway, then appealing to facts is just one of many possible techniques of persuasion.

Economics is politics by other means

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Apr 2nd, 2011 at 06:23:50 AM EST
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I love facts, but wasn't referring to the value of science or data. I was commenting on the lost ability of this civilization to use critical judgement, where facts are thrown on the heap of propaganda. Or at least that's what i was trying to do.

or, facts have to be placed in perspective. or something.

the morass of facts about low-level radiation has me in knots. guess i'm frustrated, what with civilization being blind.

or a civilization based upon deep understanding of the physical world, which disconnects them from reality. so they poison it instead of using the gifts already here.

or the Giants lost the season opener, weiss es nicht.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sat Apr 2nd, 2011 at 07:15:57 AM EST
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The reason it's called Vision, I presume, is because it is akin to the artistic process, where only the medium involves facts - and those facts are generally subsumed into experience and intuition.

Inspirational communication (another word for Art perhaps) is very hard to factualize, and I would contend that the relentless pursuit of logic is responsible for the vast swathes of hypnagogic mass communication that have replaced the inspirational variety.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Apr 2nd, 2011 at 09:40:11 AM EST
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The intelligence and facts are fixed around the policy.

Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Apr 3rd, 2011 at 05:03:31 AM EST
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That is true if the policy is existential.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Apr 3rd, 2011 at 07:02:24 AM EST
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Facts are stubborn things.

Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Apr 3rd, 2011 at 07:15:22 AM EST
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Facts by themselves are rather useless: only when supporting an argument do they become useful. And most of the arguments made every day are essentially 'emotional'. Whether or not we accept an argument is often an intuitive estimation of whether or not acceptance will make us feel better.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Apr 3rd, 2011 at 09:20:46 AM EST
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Facts by themselves are rather useless: only when supporting an argument do they become useful.

They are useful when undermining an argument, too.

Economics is politics by other means

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Apr 3rd, 2011 at 09:56:55 AM EST
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hypnagogic mass communication that have replaced the inspirational variety

difference between communication and communion.

the latter does not countenance the Bright Shiny Lie! take that away and words are no longer needed, no words, no lies.

communication is the notes, communion is the music.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Apr 3rd, 2011 at 08:45:57 AM EST
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