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HVDC/Supergrid is clearly important in providing energy flexibility in Europe and I think there is a European political advantage in such energy interconnection. It will 'bind' European nations together in other ways too.

But at the same time, the real gains in energy efficiency will come from national Smart Grids, which will have a major impact on domestic energy use. I recall a chart you posted many months ago showing that domestic demand was by far the largest component of total electricity use. Yet domestic demand is the worst informed and the least 'regulated' (except by price).

As Migu pointed out to me - if 2 million families in Sweden in Finland simultaneously switch on their Plasma TVs to watch an ice-hockey game, it takes the entire output of one nuclear reactor.

There should be greater regulation of new house and apartment building, to control the energy efficiency of the house. As it is today, a developer has no regulated responsibility for the future energy costs of the houses they sell, and certainly no responsibility to inform buyers so that they can compare life cycle costs (if the concept of LCC is understood at all, domestically).

2 way communication between energy vendor systems and users is the essence of Smart Grids (as it is with Super Grids).

We have to forget the 'always-on, use as much as you can afford' attitude to electricity.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Apr 13th, 2011 at 09:12:25 AM EST
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As Migu pointed out to me - if 2 million families in Sweden in Finland simultaneously switch on their Plasma TVs to watch an ice-hockey game, it takes the entire output of one nuclear reactor.
What?

You pointed it out, I just did the math.

Economics is politics by other means

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 13th, 2011 at 09:15:17 AM EST
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You pointed it out, I just did the math.

Different people have different views on which bit is the hardest...

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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Apr 13th, 2011 at 09:21:42 AM EST
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It's complicated...
So with load balancing, 12 million TVs consume the power output of a nuclear reactor.

However, most people watch TV at the same times, so ... 2 million TVs, simultaneously on, consume the power of your reactor. A big Sweden/Finland hockey match, for instance?



Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 13th, 2011 at 09:23:51 AM EST
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Maybe outlawing ice hockey is the answer.
by Andhakari on Wed Apr 13th, 2011 at 01:24:14 PM EST
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It's a well-known medical fact that removing symptoms does not cure the disease ;-)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Apr 13th, 2011 at 01:31:05 PM EST
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And this is the entire problem with VMware View, if you want to know the IT view of the world...
by asdf on Wed Apr 13th, 2011 at 04:41:57 PM EST
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Don't forget, there are still lots to be saved in industry. Industry is about 50% of Swedish electricity consumption. I do not know if it is typical as Sweden has heavy industry - steel, paper - but also has a high reliance on electricity for domestic heating (mostly heat pumps now).

As I see it, the problem in residential savings is energy efficiency of the house. In industry it is rather that big machines are high status.

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by A swedish kind of death on Wed Apr 13th, 2011 at 03:19:54 PM EST
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