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Yukiya Amano, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), told a nuclear safety forum stricter standards and full transparency were vital to restoring public confidence in nuclear energy.

How many chances do they want ?

the statement above is simply not compatible with political or business reality. And he knows it. Which means that this is special pleading for a new pr campaign to sweep all the bad news under a different carpet to keep his job and his industry alive.

So meet the new lie, same as the old lie.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Apr 4th, 2011 at 12:28:17 PM EST
Chances? everything's running perfectly, there are no problems

reuters: quoting a GE spokesman

"But this is an industry that operated effectively for 40 years. And that's my expectation," he said.

A GE Japan spokeswoman later told Reuters that Immelt excluded the Chernobyl incident when referring to the industry's safety record over the past four decades because it did not involve facilities designed by Western or Japanese firms.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 4th, 2011 at 12:49:06 PM EST
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So, what are they going to invent now to exclude Fukushima?

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 4th, 2011 at 12:58:49 PM EST
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Oh now that's easy it's all down to the Tsunami and earthquake, nothing to do with the power station.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 4th, 2011 at 01:14:36 PM EST
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TEPCO and Japanese culture are possibilities, too.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Apr 4th, 2011 at 03:27:10 PM EST
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Same strategy as in the "Lost Decade." All their successes are based on copying western ideas and economic orthodoxies while all their failures are based on cultural idiosyncrasies.
by generic on Mon Apr 4th, 2011 at 05:32:07 PM EST
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I'm always entertained by the assumption in Western management literature that "face" is something only valued by weird Asians and other primitives. Western managers are, of course, far above such frivolities.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 4th, 2011 at 05:45:27 PM EST
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Goes along with the "inscrutable orientals" prejudice...

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 4th, 2011 at 06:05:58 PM EST
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I think it's more that Eastern managers have a conscious awareness that face matters, and they understand that it plays a part in management dynamics.

It's a useful insight that Western managers don't have this awareness. They're sensitive to loss of face emotionally, but they lack the psychological and emotional maturity to realise it intellectually.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Apr 4th, 2011 at 06:56:22 PM EST
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"I just want my life back," anyone?
by Zwackus on Mon Apr 4th, 2011 at 07:14:15 PM EST
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I am actually more disturbed than amused by such claims. Imagine a person who cares nothing for his standing in the eyes of his peers, let alone the wider world...

As an aside:

US embassy cables: Mervyn King says in March 2008 bailout fund needed (via)

[British central bankster Mervyn] King said there are two imperatives. First to find ways for banks to avoid the stigma of selling unwanted paper at distressed prices or going to a central bank for assistance. Second to ensure there's a coordinated effort to possibly recapitalize the global banking system.

My emphasis.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Apr 4th, 2011 at 06:07:29 PM EST
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What about Santa Susana and Three Mile Island?

aspiring to genteel poverty

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Mon Apr 4th, 2011 at 07:08:59 PM EST
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well the last santa susana fire was in 1971, so with  a touch of wiggle room, just on the edge of that 40 year boundary.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 4th, 2011 at 07:33:06 PM EST
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Liquid sodium coolant--experimental reactor which supplied commercial power--partial meltdown in 1959 seemingly due to failure of pump seals allowing pump lubricant to enter the cooling fluid.  

(Sodium is the wave of the future!)  

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Tue Apr 5th, 2011 at 03:22:29 PM EST
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(click for article)

Economics is politics by other means

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Apr 5th, 2011 at 03:31:43 PM EST
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Lead-Bismuth eutectic
Both lead and bismuth are also an excellent radiation shield, blocking gamma radiation while simultaneously being virtually transparent to neutrons. In contrast, sodium will form the potent gamma emitter sodium-24 (halflife 15 hours) following intense neutron radiation, requiring a large radiation shield for the primary cooling loop.

...

Lead and LBE coolant are more corrosive to steel than sodium, and this puts an upper limit on the velocity of coolant flow through the reactor due to safety considerations. Furthermore, the higher melting points of lead and LBE (327 °C and 123.5 °C respectively) may mean that solidification of the coolant may be a greater problem when the reactor is operated at lower temperatures. Finally, upon neutron radiation the bismuth in LBE coolant will undergo neutron capture and subsequent beta decay, forming polonium-210, a potent alpha emitter. The presence of radioactive polonium in the coolant would require special precautions during refueling of the reactor.

In case of an accident, instead of water being released, you'd have lead
Although lead poisoning is one of the oldest known work and environmental hazards, the modern understanding of the small amount of lead necessary to cause harm did not come about until the latter half of the 20th century. No safe threshold for lead exposure has been discovered--that is, there is no known amount of lead that is too small to cause the body harm.
Good thing that
In medical usage, heavy metals are loosely defined and include all toxic metals irrespective of their atomic weight: "heavy metal poisoning" can possibly include excessive amounts of iron, manganese, aluminium, mercury, cadmium, or beryllium (the fourth lightest element) or such a semimetal as arsenic. This definition excludes bismuth, the heaviest of approximately stable elements, because of its low toxicity.
Naturally, since
Bismuth poisoning exists and mostly affects the kidney and liver. Skin and respiratory irritation can also follow exposure to respective organs. As with lead, overexposure to bismuth can result in the formation of a black deposit on the gingiva, known as a bismuth line.
Wait, hadn't we agreed that
In the industry, it is considered as one of the least toxic heavy metals.
Must be because
Scientific literature concurs with the idea that bismuth and its compounds are less toxic than lead or its other periodic table neighbours (antimony, polonium) and that it is not bioaccumulative. Its biological half-life for whole-body retention is 5 days but it can remain in the kidney for years in patients treated with bismuth compounds.
Clearly
Bismuth's environmental impacts are not very well known. It is considered that its environmental impact is small, due in part to the low solubility of its compounds. Limited information however means that a close eye should be kept on its impact.
That which you don't know can't kill you, innit?

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Apr 5th, 2011 at 03:40:28 PM EST
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In the industry, it is considered as one of the least toxic heavy metals.

This could mean that very high quantities are needed for poisoning. Sites I checked suggested that the effects of poisoning are usually mild, with the main exceptions being when large quantities were injected into the body.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Apr 5th, 2011 at 03:56:03 PM EST
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Well, skin ... irritation can also follow exposure so I'm not sure it's that safe.

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Apr 5th, 2011 at 04:02:05 PM EST
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This site lists all that can go wrong, but lists inhalation and ingestion as serious, potentially fatal. All the other effects
May be a nuisance dust causing respiratory irritation. May cause foul breath, metallic taste and gingivitis.May cause nausea, loss of appetite and weight, malaise, albuminuria, diarrhea, skin reactions, stomatitis, headache, fever, sleeplessness, depression, rheumatic pain and a black line may form on gums in the mouth due to deposition of bismuth sulphide. Skin: May cause irritation. Eyes: May cause irritation.
seem to be regarded more as nuisances than as serious health risks. If you already have skin problems, you should certainly stay away from it.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Apr 5th, 2011 at 04:11:25 PM EST
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It appears that the LD50 of Bismuth is 5g/Kg in rats and 10g/Kg in mice. Compare:
Sr:    540mg/kg    some toxicity
Ba:    20mg/kg    high toxicity
That means Bismuth is 10 times less toxic to rats by weight than (non-radioactive)  Strontium.

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Apr 5th, 2011 at 04:23:10 PM EST
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5g/kg is quite non-toxic. The LD50 of NaCl for rats is 3g/kg, for ethanol it's 7g/kg. The main problem is accumulation -- both NaCl and ethanol are obviously easily disposed of by the body, how well is bismuth?

A 'centrist' is someone who's neither on the left, nor on the left.
by nicta (nico@altiva․fr) on Thu Apr 7th, 2011 at 07:09:56 AM EST
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Bismuth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
it is not bioaccumulative. Its biological half-life for whole-body retention is 5 days but it can remain in the kidney for years in patients treated with bismuth compounds


Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 7th, 2011 at 08:48:51 AM EST
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Helen:
Yukiya Amano, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), told a nuclear safety forum stricter standards and full transparency were vital to restoring public confidence in nuclear energy.

How many chances do they want ?

the statement above is simply not compatible with political or business reality. And he knows it. Which means that this is special pleading for a new pr campaign to sweep all the bad news under a different carpet to keep his job and his industry alive.

So meet the new lie, same as the old lie.

IAEA making empty gestures in calling for transparency after an accident in Japan? Sounds familiar.

European Tribune - Terrorism, Nuclear power and Secrecy

Just heard (Wed. 7/18) swedish radio news about the earthquake and nuclear power plant accident in Japan. Apparently the spill was larger then first reported (no numbers) and IAEA has encouraged Japan to be more open about nuclear power. No surprises thus far.

Now comes the real news (to me anyway).

According to Jan-Olov Liljenzin, professor in nuclear chemistry at Chalmers university of technology (second largest technical college in Sweden) this is probably an empty gesture, and IAEA knows it. After september 11th 2001 nuclear companies has been ordered (by the governments) to keep secret anything that could help terrorists.

And that was four years ago.

Given that the existing nuclear powers ignore IAEA's advice, what are the chances that would-be nuclear powers will not ignore it?

Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se

by A swedish kind of death on Mon Apr 4th, 2011 at 02:34:07 PM EST
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and proceeds from the same fallacy that makes IT systems insecure, in the general case.

The idea is that if the system is obscure and undocumented, this keeps it secure. Nothing could be further from the truth. Mainly, obfuscation keeps well-intentioned people from understanding the system, finding its faults, and making it better. Ill-intentioned people will always make the extra effort to see through the fug and find the weak points.

All nuclear power issues should go open-source, with monetary rewards offered for finding faults. This would improve security immensely, especially with respect to terrorism.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Mon Apr 4th, 2011 at 06:01:11 PM EST
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The political problem is that this would reveal that nuke plants are impossible to secure against any half-way determined terrorist with an IQ above room temperature.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Apr 4th, 2011 at 06:33:23 PM EST
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Asahi Shinbun: IAEA becomes minor player in nuclear crisis

Exasperated by inquiries and lacking authority, the International Atomic Energy Agency has taken a back seat in dealing with the crisis at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant.

Although the IAEA has kept a sharp eye on nations developing nuclear weapons, it does not have the authority to become actively involved in accidents at nuclear plants.

by das monde on Wed Apr 6th, 2011 at 02:47:12 AM EST
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