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I was at a conference on the economic crisis today at which nearly all the main speakers were US economists - including a student of Minsky Randal Wray, William K. Black and Stephanie Kelton, all MMT economists from Kansas.  There solution was that Ireland had no option but to default and withdraw from the Euro citing flaws in the Optimum Currency Area theory and the Maastricht Treaty.

I (rhetorically) asked the question why, given that our problem was primarily with Germany, we were inviting a bunch of US economists to provide a solution.  Where there no sane German economists we could build bridges with?  The not altogether convincing response from the Chair was that the German government had systematically prevented the preferment of sane economists and so none could be found.

I think I need a better explanation for the German Government pursuing policies which are demonstrably unsustainable and damaging to the entire Eurozone.  If I get time, I will try to write a summary diary on the MMT approach.  Chris Cook received a favourable mention from one of the Irish economists who spoke. The impression I got is that the Irish economic mainstream is starting to line up behind Morgan Kelly, having treated him as a pariah for so long.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon May 9th, 2011 at 06:30:09 PM EST
Considering that MMT is itself a fringe movement within American economics and that the US economic establishment is firmly Friedmanite, why would you find it unsatisfactory that the German economic establishment is firmly Austrian? Even in France, sane economists are having trouble being accepted. And in Continental Europe ministers of education tend to have a strong influence on curricula even at the university level. So I find it eminently plausible that the German Government (if you include in it the Bundesbank) "had systematically prevented the preferment of sane economists".

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 9th, 2011 at 06:44:35 PM EST
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I was being ironic.  I joked privately with Professor Black that the Irish had a long tradition of sending aid workers to the third world espousing progressive economics, intermediate technology, small is beautiful type community development projects whilst Ireland did exactly the opposite at home.  Listening to US economists espousing policies for Ireland totally at odds with the US mainstream had a similar feel to it in reverse.

More seriously, I do think it important the Ireland builds alliances with progressive German economists if we can find any and was disappointed none had been found/invited.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon May 9th, 2011 at 06:58:56 PM EST
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There are a few sane German economists:
Lucas Zeise, in his column in FT Deutschland, says the outbreak of lies is the best metric for the pending break-up of the eurozone. He recalls various currency crises from the 1970s and 1980s, in which officials also lied that nothing would happen, until it happened. Zeise says two necessary conditions to avoid a break-up are the acceptance of a transfer union, financed, for example, by a tax on exporters, and the tolerance of large wage increases in northern European countries.
(Eurointelligence)

Sane outfits appear to include Die Zeit and its Herdentrieb Blog, most FT Deutschland columnists... Eurointelligence...

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 10th, 2011 at 04:22:11 AM EST
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It has been some time since I've read Die Zeit, but I as I remember it the sanity is strongly concentrated in Herdentrieb.
by generic on Tue May 10th, 2011 at 07:07:38 AM EST
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They did publish an article on Wörgl at the end of last year...

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 10th, 2011 at 08:05:40 AM EST
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Fair enough. It was more their phase of pro Atlantic warmongering rather than their economics that made me drop them. Don't know if that is still going on.
by generic on Tue May 10th, 2011 at 08:48:41 AM EST
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I think it's fair to say there are sane economists everywhere, but that one of the ways the neolib stranglehold is perpetuated is by systematically filtering them out of jobs, promotion, academic recognition.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue May 10th, 2011 at 05:47:57 AM EST
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As in most dictatorships, only members of The Party are allowed to advance their careers beyond a certain point.

Dissent is tolerated as long as it remains ineffective.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue May 10th, 2011 at 06:40:11 AM EST
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I am jealous of your opportunity. I presume you are familiar with their site, New Economic Perspectives. All three are at the University of Missouri, Kansas City, which is a major island of sanity in the US academic economics landscape. They were probably invited because, between them, they have the relevant experience and expertise to appropriately analyze the current situation in Ireland. The two economists, Randall Wray and Stephanie Kelton can cover the economic theory and specific applications and Wm. K. Black is an expert on control fraud in banks, which is what should be investigated and prosecuted in the cases of the banks that ended up in NAMA.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon May 9th, 2011 at 11:08:05 PM EST
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From their website:

Mitch Daniels' ode to learning to treasure your husband's mistress  By William K. Black

Cead mile failte romhat - one hundred thousand greetings to you from Dublin. My UMKC economics department colleague and I are presenting ideas on how Ireland could respond to its banking, budget, and financial crises.

This is the second part of my series of articles on benefit-cost analysis, prompted by a discussion at CIFA's recent ninth annual meeting in Monaco. This part focuses on the logic employed by the nation's leading advocate of requiring benefit-cost tests before allowing any regulatory actions. Governor Daniels (R. Indiana) previously served as President Bush's Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). In 2002, OMB Director Daniels explained to a Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) audience why formal benefit-cost analyses by OMB mirrored "everyday life."

   "We need to remind people, that cost benefit analysis is part of everyday life. Perhaps you've heard of the couple out dining one evening, when a lovely, much younger lady passed by the table and visibly winked at the husband. His wife, not missing a thing, said, "Who was that?" After some hemming and hawing, he finally confesses: it's his mistress. She said, "That's it! I always feared and suspected. It's over, I want a divorce." "Now dear, not so fast. You [do] realize if that happens, no more diamonds on your birthday, fewer of those shopping trips to New York, what about the country club charge account?" About that time, another couple passed by and she said, "Isn't that your friend Jim from the office?" He said, "Yes." "Well who's that young woman with him?" "Well, that's Jim's mistress." She says, "Aha! Ours is prettier." [laughter]"

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/speeches_cei_regulatory052202
Mitchell E. Daniels, Jr., Competitive Enterprise Institute Speech, 05/22/2002

Again, one cannot compete with unintentional self-parody. Daniels chose a metaphor to defend benefit-cost tests that lays bare many of the worst aspects of formal benefit-cost tests by economists. Daniels delights in his tale of how an unfaithful, rich, powerful, and older man cheats on his wife, humiliates her in public, and essentially prostitutes his wife and his mistress. Perhaps the worst aspect - and here Daniels is simultaneously acute and clueless - is the wife's use of the word "ours." When elites use their dominant power to exploit and corrupt less powerful people they also seek to impose a false construct on their victims that makes them appear to be beneficiaries rather than victims. The macho male meme is that his domineering control of his wife's life and decisions constitutes "protecting" his wife. She is supposed to perceive and express a debt of gratitude rather than resentment to her oppressor.


More at the site.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon May 9th, 2011 at 11:17:53 PM EST
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Is there a list of conference participants or a conference website anywhere? Were any Spanish economists in attendance?

Economics is politics by other means
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 10th, 2011 at 03:44:56 AM EST
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Programme linked, no Spanish (or Portuguese or Greek).

I am awaiting copies of presentations to assist in writing diary.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue May 10th, 2011 at 06:13:47 AM EST
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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue May 10th, 2011 at 06:14:19 AM EST
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Were there any people there whose native language wasn't English?

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 10th, 2011 at 06:17:42 AM EST
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The speakers where all American, Irish, or Americans in Ireland.  In fairness, Feasta and Smart taxes, the groups which organised the the conference, are small, largely voluntary groups linked to the Greens and outside any mainstream - academic, media or political.  

They did well to organise the conference, and remarkably, charged nothing for it beyond a request for voluntary donations.  The only public figure I noticed at the conference was Dan Boyle, Chair of the Green party, widely held as responsible for ensuring Green economic policy became almost indistinguishable to Fianna Fail's.  The Greens lost all their 6 parliamentary seats (and Dan's Senator post) at the last election.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue May 10th, 2011 at 06:32:30 AM EST
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I suggest that the issue is that economics is politics, and polities are fragmented along cultural and linguistic lines. Hence, no Continental European economists at the event, but some Americans were there.

And so it is entirely possible that economics actually diverges along national boundaries.

Economics is politics by other means

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 10th, 2011 at 06:37:13 AM EST
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