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Vinci is pushing the envelope up to €8bn, more than the Tours-Bordeaux section.

Hm? What does Vinci have to do with the price of a contract nowhere near even PPP tendering? Isn't Vinci pushing up its contract price for Tours-Bordeaux to €8 billion? In the linked document, EE-les Verts put the "extra" price tag of Bordeaux-Toulouse at €2 billion, RFF the full price at €2.8-2.9 billion.

EE-les Verts seems to argue for 220 km/h in general, though their travel time comparison is for Paris-Toulouse with Tours-Bordeaux built as planned. They sadly make the argument by not considering capacity, and give bad examples to follow (Germany: before they think a half-measures high-speed system is good, first compare ridership; Austria, Switzerland: compare domestic travel distances; USA: long-distance rail transport role model, really?). And it appears they seem to see the financing and ticket pricing models they criticise as inevitable rather than the problem.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Jun 4th, 2011 at 10:27:07 AM EST
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Yep, misreading on my part, it's the Tours-Bordeaux section Vinci was pushing on, and the state had to come up with €100mn to close it.

I suspect there is a lot of infighting as usual in les Verts over this (I know for a fact a good many Verts are opposed to the TGV, full stop.) So the resulting policy support is for a compromise, let's back 220kph...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jun 4th, 2011 at 11:11:45 AM EST
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They should also take a look at this and its (hard to link) Eurostat source. Which two French relations were among the top four busiest intra-EU air routes in 2008 (far above anything else in France)? Paris/Orly to Toulouse resp. Nice. Incidentally (not), the two major cities with the weakest TGV connections. (In fact, from the data I could find at Eurostat, in 2009 and 2010, the two French relations were the second and third busiest EU air routes, behind Madrid-Barcelona at a reduced level, while Milan Linate to Rome Fiumicino dropped out of the race due to the Milan-Bologna high-speed line.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Jun 4th, 2011 at 12:47:07 PM EST
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Similarly, flights between Roissy CDG and Brussels Zaventem have been completely eliminated after the Thalys ramp-up.
by Bernard (bernard) on Sat Jun 4th, 2011 at 12:56:03 PM EST
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Sure. The fact of the busy Paris link has been adduced as evidence Toulouse needs a new international (!) airport. Toulouse being French Airspace City, a not uninfluential local lobby denies the usefulness of a TGV link with Paris. And still there are Greens who don't want the TGV... <sigh>
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jun 4th, 2011 at 01:38:20 PM EST
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