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What they should be talking about instead is gun control. For what reason could he keep an automatic weapon at home? Not for hunting, nor for self-defence. There is no reason to keep sports weapons at home (from what I know, the main loophole for madmen in Europe).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Jul 24th, 2011 at 06:28:07 AM EST
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Why the hell would ANY CIVILIAN have permit for automatic weapon ANYWHERE?
And while I am at this first of all I do not think that he was alone. Why? To kill 92 people (do not know if this is a final number) in such a short time one have to be very well trained. Was he ex army man or something? Even the fact that island is small is not good enough and one would have to be very precise to KILL all those people. Not to mention that it takes a lot of nerves. Looking at his face he does not look like a lunatic to me...not even like sociopath...
Then the bomb...if that was a bomb in usual sense. How easy it was for him to plant it? And in that district where leading political party has headquarter? Do not tell me there are no cameras around these buildings! It would need to be very well organised and organisation takes "organisation" (group). No...For me there are a lot of questions here...
And did you see how Prime minister in his first speech that they addressed attacker as "group" as if he knew whom he is telling that "they will not take our democracy away"...


Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Sun Jul 24th, 2011 at 08:35:11 AM EST
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It seems to have been a car bomb. In that case, as long as parking was legal outside the building, there would have been no reason to suspect anything.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sun Jul 24th, 2011 at 09:18:39 AM EST
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To kill 92 people (do not know if this is a final number) in such a short time

85 were killed in 90 minutes: one a minute. That's not so fast. But yes he was reportedly well trained.

Looking at his face he does not look like a lunatic to me

How does a lunatic look like? And from what experience do you know? If looks would give away all lunatics, they would never get the chance to prepare and execute amok runs.

How easy it was for him to plant it?

This is Norway, not the USA.

Do not tell me there are no cameras around these buildings!

Those are of no use in prevention if you don't plan to get away with it.

It would need to be very well organised and organisation takes "organisation" (group).

In movies yes.

With all that said, I wait and see if accomplices will be found or only evidence of his own claimed years of preparation work.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jul 24th, 2011 at 01:19:34 PM EST
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85 were killed in 90 minutes: one a minute. That's not so fast
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Oh c'mon...one a minute is NOT fast?

But yes he was reportedly well trained.
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Where exactly he had his training?

I already explained about eyes and lunatics. Most of the mentally sick people are diagnosed sooner or later. It's hard to hide madness. Problem is that there are no facilities or money in the states budgets or simply will or political directions to keep them in hospitals. Most of them are even aware of demons they are fighting and usually before they commit some horrific murder they actually call the hospital and ask for help...and they do not get it.
I wouldn't really know about those militant lunatics but people around them has to be aware that something is definitely wrong. They may not take it seriously enough...
As for him doing everything on his own, maybe... but as I said he would then be very talented man... and wouldn't be practically without income (as tax returns shows).To make car bomb (remotely activated) successful one also needs some technical skills. He seems to be studied commerce...


Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein

by vbo on Sun Jul 24th, 2011 at 06:34:08 PM EST
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It's not so hard to misdiagnose it either.

Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 25th, 2011 at 01:26:36 AM EST
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Hah...knowing few psychiatrists looks like psychiatrist should be assessed and diagnosed first, haha

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Mon Jul 25th, 2011 at 05:02:15 AM EST
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Which is why Most of the mentally sick people are diagnosed sooner or later. It's hard to hide madness. Problem is that there are no facilities or money in the states budgets or simply will or political directions to keep them in hospitals gives me the creeps.

Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 25th, 2011 at 05:20:01 AM EST
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Most of the mentally sick people are diagnosed sooner or later.

Unless they're rich and/or powerful.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Jul 25th, 2011 at 05:25:48 AM EST
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Yeah...you may be right, haha.
Unless in the end they kill someone or themselves...


Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Mon Jul 25th, 2011 at 05:43:42 AM EST
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They aren't, AFAIK, allowed automatic weapons. But as we've seen in this case, semiautomatic weapons will work just as well (if not better) when you have an isolated, target rich environment where your victims can't shoot back.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Jul 24th, 2011 at 11:32:43 AM EST
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Gun control  and can prevent off-the-cuff attacks such as the University of Iowa shooting.  It will not, cannot, prevent a functional, organized, person from acquiring military style weapons.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sun Jul 24th, 2011 at 01:58:30 PM EST
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