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Migeru:
any crackdown is going to be criticised by business interests and their friendly press as illiberal and a danger to democracy

Given the shocking scale and horrifying circumstances, I think they'd have a hard time selling that line. Supposing "business interests" to be somehow favourable to leaving nutters of this kind free to commit mass murder.

Though there's some fancy footwork needed from those who at first lined up spontaneously with the stock analysis:

Why did the Norweigan attacks? - CBS News

(CBS News) 

The explosion in Norway's capital Oslo and a shooting on the island of Utoya that have left a total of at least 16 dead is puzzling because Norway is considered a peaceful country. It had prompted this question: "Why target Norway?" CBS News correspondent Bob Orr explains:

"Believe it or not, Norway has been on al Qaeda's hit list for agent about eight years now. Leader Ayman al-Zawahiri back in 2003 warned Norway would be targeting for supporting the U.S. War in Afghanistan. After a Norwegian newspaper reprinted cartoons of the prophet Mohammed in 2006, once again al Qaeda called for revenge.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 23rd, 2011 at 07:52:19 AM EST
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We're also going to see a lot of "lone nut" rationalisations of this. And that would be an angle from which to criticise a crackdown as an overreaction.

Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jul 23rd, 2011 at 07:58:17 AM EST
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Remember That "Eurabian Civil War"?

If someone mentioned terrorism in Europe, you would probably have an idea about the size of the threat and who's responsible.

It's big, you would think. And growing. As for who's responsible, that's obvious. It's Muslims. Or if you're a little more careful with your language, it's radical Muslims, or "Islamists."

After all, they were at it again just in the past month. On Dec. 11, a 28- year-old naturalized Swede - originally from Iraq - injured two people when he blew himself up on the way to a shopping district. And on Dec. 29, police in Denmark said they thwarted a plan by five Muslims to storm the office of a Danish newspaper and kill as many people as possible.

So the danger is big and growing, and Islamists are the source. Right?

Wrong, actually.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jul 23rd, 2011 at 08:00:13 AM EST
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Craig Murray » Blog Archive » Islamophobia Run Wild

I watched the disgraceful Islamophobic rantings on the BBC and Sky News last night in mounting disbelief. Security correspondent and security expert vied with each other to tell us that the dreadful attacks in Norway were the work of al-Qaida. One extraordinary American, introduced as from a Centre for Combating Extremism, explained that these Norwegian jihadists had international links and plans to attack London and the New York subway. Norway was a target, we were repeatedly told, because of its NATO membership.

There was at least six solid hours of this poisonous bullshit. I did not pick up on one single person who said that this probably was not Islamic terrorism - despite the glaringly obvious fact that the atrocity had a Norwegian domestic political agenda, being an attack on the Prime Minister's office, and on a youth camp of the governing party. The internet was buzzing for hours with the news that the attacker on Utoya Island was blonde, without the broadcast media mentioning it. The American security expert I mention above had that base covered - he had obviously seen those reports, but did not mention them. However he said that jihadist groups had probably recruited European looking operatives to carry out the attacks, because they were aware that security services "consciously or unconsciously operated racial profiling."



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jul 23rd, 2011 at 08:05:17 AM EST
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It is really sickening how USA media and "friends" are pushing for Islamists to blame...Poor Americans that have to endure all the shit they are presented. After all that happened last 10 years I hardly believe even what date is today when I see/hear it on TV...

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Sat Jul 23rd, 2011 at 08:21:37 AM EST
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Well apparently CNN had an expert who after the police were saying that it was internal politics, explained how they were wrong

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jul 23rd, 2011 at 08:28:13 AM EST
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Charlie Brooker (charltonbrooker) on Twitter
Just wrote a col for Monday Guardian about some of the Oslo coverage. May run online tmrw, maybe earlier.

John Bolton on Fox News earlier: anchor says looks like lone madman, not AQ as JB had speculated. He says let's not speculate till facts in.

To be fair to Fox, anchor was v clear it seems similar to Oklahoma tragedy; following bulletin also described suspect as rightwing extremist

Some ppl singling out Sky News unfairly I think: foreign ed T. Marshall tweeted v measured info last night: http://bit.ly/qbfayy

Whereas every channel seemed to have countless speculating security experts incorrectly guessing their gobs off.

Next angle will prob be impact of violent films & games etc. Not impact of negative depiction of Islam in news.

Not that I have any idea what caused it either. All very sad.


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jul 23rd, 2011 at 08:37:12 AM EST
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Dan Gardner: Remember That "Eurabian Civil War"?
Oh, there are incidents. I cited two above. And for people like Steyn, that is more than enough. Tell a true story; treat it as typical; draw a scary conclusion: This is the standard operating procedure of alarmists.
When I imagine that the Utøya massacre is not an isolated incident, am I being alarmist?

Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 25th, 2011 at 07:09:38 AM EST
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There is a difference between claiming that something is "not an isolated incident" and claiming that it is commonplace. Nobody here is claiming that right-wing assassinations are commonplace, but nor are they isolated incidents. In the same way that Islamist bomb-throwing is not commonplace even though it cannot be separated from its ideological justifications either.

There is also the fact that alarmists like Steyn simply flat out lie about the ideological and social background for Islamist bomb-throwing.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Jul 25th, 2011 at 07:34:34 AM EST
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I don't really know the Norwegian media, but one might hope there's less craven crap than in the US, where McVeigh was the wrong colour to be labeled a terrorist. Or there was some other reason.

Though it'll be (sort of) interesting to see by what contorsions the American media twist out of calling this terrorism (after having called it such and supposed Al Qaeda involvement).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 23rd, 2011 at 08:08:40 AM EST
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Oh, I hadn't read ceebs above before posting.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 23rd, 2011 at 08:09:45 AM EST
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In order to get to the bottom of this horrific story it would be interested to know WHO supplied this guy with automatic weapon (it must be automatic if he killed and wounded so many people in such a short time) and of course who supplied him with a bomb so powerful? I assume it's not easy to buy all that stuff like in a corner shop...

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Sat Jul 23rd, 2011 at 08:11:09 AM EST
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He was on a small island. Full of kids. A semiautomatic pistol is actually more likely, since it lets him use his ammunitions more effectively.

I'm more interested in why the police held off on going to the island for so long. It should have been simplicity itself to requisition a helicopter full of terrorist police with automatic weapons and high powered scoped rifles.

But I expect that that part will be the subject of a detailed inquiry.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Jul 23rd, 2011 at 08:20:15 AM EST
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I'd say there's probably a factor that the major factor probably is the big explosion, all of your heavy duty security police are probably rushed to Oslo to deal with bombs which probably seemed to be the bigger threat, whereas a shooting on an Island probably was seen as a distraction from the major problem for quite a while.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jul 23rd, 2011 at 08:32:15 AM EST
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I continue to think the bomb was a deliberate and clever diversionary tactic by the shooter.

Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 24th, 2011 at 06:17:18 AM EST
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And the Norwegian police single police helicopter was grounded because the crew was on holiday.

Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se
by A swedish kind of death on Wed Jul 27th, 2011 at 02:44:46 PM EST
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According to swedish news, he bought a semi-automatic gun for hunting after getting a gun license in accordance with the rules (joined a gun club, took the mandatory training classes etc).

Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se
by A swedish kind of death on Wed Jul 27th, 2011 at 02:44:02 PM EST
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