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Should have guessed really

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Aug 16th, 2011 at 02:29:53 PM EST
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Especially as you've already had a go at him.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 16th, 2011 at 03:57:15 PM EST
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The exclusion zone from a worst case accident in onshore wind can be measured in meters/hour over a day or two.

For offshore, worst case would be whatever the ship was carrying which foundered into the array.

He does have half a point about the economics, but we already have a track record of lowering prices significantly as the technology matures, unlike...

Though, while there have been no documented cases yet, we are all afraid that one of the offshore turbines will get jealous of the one-horned goats the onshore turbines get to eat, and will spring his mooring and run to shore, hungrily sweeping civilization aside in his quest to eat and destroy.

I'm certain the producers of Godzilla would green-light this.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Aug 16th, 2011 at 04:24:49 PM EST
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"Great" discussion with my sister today where she brought up the intolerable noise of windfarms.

I wasn't overtly sarcastic but I did mention railways and roads and aircraft

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Aug 16th, 2011 at 04:31:56 PM EST
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I always ask the person how many hundred hours they've been within 500 meters of operating wind parks, in how many different wind conditions. Or if they've just read something in the press.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Aug 16th, 2011 at 04:37:47 PM EST
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She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Aug 16th, 2011 at 09:06:32 PM EST
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one of the fishiest part of nukes is their building cost over-runs which are risibly astronomical (not to mention the cleanup costs, waster storage and babysitting costs, health costs, security costs etc etc).

how is windfarm history, regarding buildcost over-runs?

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Aug 17th, 2011 at 06:04:18 AM EST
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Though there are exceptions, most cost over-runs are less than 5% of pro forma build. More importantly, since the industry is so mature, contracts tend to stipulate costs.

The biggest problem with onshore was not cost over-runs, but production over-estimation. No longer a problem in mature markets because the wind is so well known, it can still be a ringer in emerging markets. Earlier it could be as much as 20% low, averaging 10%. Now, close to spot on.

Offshore is too young not to have cost over-runs, but that too is changing.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Wed Aug 17th, 2011 at 01:57:01 PM EST
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thanks CH. this should be touted more, methinks.

dealing with people of business acumen, though of course financially motivated, also have future generations' well-being under consideration, is also more likely to be managed by people whose word the people can trust.

pushing the nuke industries' mendaciousness hasn't worked that well... maybe it's time to accentuate the positive!

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Aug 17th, 2011 at 04:33:06 PM EST
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