Welcome to European Tribune. It's gone a bit quiet around here these days, but it's still going.
what a great diary and discussion. i've got zero to add, not because i have zero to add, but because it would take me a few hours to highlight some of the most relevant comments already posted, and my response to them. (unfortunately (for whom?) i don't have that luxury.)

So i'll simply say for now, Penrose is correct, even if he doesn't know why. Or how. Or to what extent.

How do i know? Actually, i don't... except i've "been there, seen that."

Tangent: This is actually the discussion great minds love to have, which lesser minds also love from less perspective, and which even lesser minds still love to have because it's the basis of humanity, after all.

It's also why so much effort is made to prevent us from having the time to enjoy and learn from such discussion. And to keep up the myth that "knowledge" resides with the elite.

Understanding this is the goal of humanity. Which understanding would lead to true freedom. Which wouldn't be tolerated by (insert opponent here).

What if neural complexity were only the physical manifestation of even higher order complexities dependent on the quantum correlation already inherent within our brains... and not just within, but without as well, in toto? What if neural complexity was actually only the grossest layer of brain complexity?

How did native elders know the future, or could relive pasts long before their time? Not to mention making it rain, and learning from trees?

Or intuit what physicists would discover?

Truly wish i could contribute something to this discussion, but it's nearing 1st pitch on one of the few nights when the game begins while i'm still awake.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Aug 28th, 2011 at 03:57:33 PM EST

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