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Either the PSOE leadership are morons, or they think we are.

El Pais: El PSOE cree que el referéndum crearía incertidumbre y haría ineficaz la reforma

... "El Gobierno ha tenido que hacer una reforma para transmitir que España es un país serio que va a cumplir sus obligaciones", ha explicado tras el encuentro el secretario de Organización del partido, Marcelino Iglesias. Sobre el referéndum que demanda parte de la ciudadanía y del propio PSOE, Iglesias ha justificado que "la Constitución no lo exige" y que de celebrarse, "se transmitiría incertidumbre a quienes queremos transmitir certidumbre", es decir, a los mercados.

De celebrarse una consulta ciudadana, según ha explicado, la reforma no estaría cerrada hasta el mes de noviembre, y la medida perdería eficacia. El Gobierno ha utilizado el método exprés porque quiere transmitir seguridad a los mercados de cara a un septiembre que se avecina convulso, con Italia, el otro país al borde del rescate, en busca de financiación para afrontar su deuda.

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La urgencia ha marcado la toma de decisiones, según Iglesias. Lo primero, ha asegurado, era actuar. Lo siguiente es explicar, que es precisamente para lo que se han convocado dos reuniones esta tarde. A las cinco y media de la tarde, Rubalcaba verá a los barones territoriales en la sede del PSOE, y a las ocho, se reunirá con el grupo parlamentario socialista, para explicar cómo y porqué se han tomado las últimas decisiones, que asegura, "la Ejecutiva ha respaldado".

El PSOE cree que el referéndum crearía incertidumbre y haría ineficaz la reforma
... "The Government has had to make a reform to transmit that Spain is a serious country that is going to fulfill its obligations", the party's Organization Secretary Marcelino Iglesias explained after the meeting. On the referendum demanded by part of the citizenry and of the PSOE itself, Iglesias justified that "the Constitution does not demand it" and, were it to be held, "uncertainty would be transmitted to those to whom we wanted to transmit certainty", that is, the markets.

Were the citizens' consultation held, he explained, the reform would not be finalised until November, and the measure would lose efficacy. The government has used the fast-track method because they want to transmit safety to the markets in face of an October that appears convulsed, with Italy, the other country on the brink of a rescue, seeking financing of its debt.

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Urgency has marked the decision-making, according to Iglesias. First, he claimed, action was needed. Then explanation, which is what the two meetings called for this afternoon are for. At 5pm, Rubalcaba will meet the regional Barons in the PSOE headquarters, and at 8pm, he will meet the Socialist parliamentary group, to explain how and why the latest decisions were taken which, he claims, "the Executive [Committee of PSOE] has backed".



Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 29th, 2011 at 10:20:41 AM EST
Either the PSOE leadership are morons, or they think we are.

That's an inclusive "or", right?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Aug 29th, 2011 at 10:34:23 AM EST
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No, it's an and.

Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 29th, 2011 at 10:38:17 AM EST
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Gah, the headline: The PSOE believes a referendum would create uncertainty and make the reform ineffective.

Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 29th, 2011 at 11:22:51 AM EST
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Yeah, democracy is so uncertain.

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Aug 29th, 2011 at 03:38:46 PM EST
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Unless Spain has a primary market bond auction prior to November, that reasoning is prima facie bullshit, even if you believe in fantasy-based economics and the confidence fairy.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Aug 29th, 2011 at 04:13:39 PM EST
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Even if Spain has a major auction coming up and you believe in the confidence fairy, you don't reform the constitution as a tactical measure to tide you over the next 2 months.

Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 30th, 2011 at 02:10:39 AM EST
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You know that and I know that, but it would appear that ZP does not know that.

Oh, and when you strip this turd out of your constitution, do make sure to put in a clause requiring a referendum. Preferably with qualified majority.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Aug 30th, 2011 at 03:12:24 AM EST
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Neither does Rubalcaba or any of the PSOE bigwigs...

Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 30th, 2011 at 03:45:05 AM EST
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ZP is clearly bought and paid for, OR being blackmailed, OR he's a drooling centrist moron who has drunk enough of the KoolAid to use it instead of blood.

Whatever the truth, it's interesting that his decisions and actions seem eerily similar to those of Blair, Obama, Clegg and others who were elected with a nominal left-leaning mandate, but have unapologetically governed from the right.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Aug 30th, 2011 at 09:15:35 AM EST
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Isn't there some sort of reaction by the PSOE base - some sort of fraction leaving in disgust or something? Or from the indignados? The left? Someone?

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake
by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Tue Aug 30th, 2011 at 09:47:33 AM EST
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