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Well, if you look at my list of companies at the end of the diary, the opposite appears to be true: specialists have to be involved in most key components, and 90-100% of those sub-markets is squared by one or two companies. The receivers are high-quality, high-tech material. While mirrors are cheaper than solar cells, these mirrors are still high-precision mirrors. The requirement on generators is no less stringent than on those in gas-fired power plants. Energy storage using molten salt is a tricky technology; there are just four companies in the world that manufacture pumps for it (from what I read up, one of them did not enter CSP market so far, and two more were involved in pilot projects only).

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by DoDo on Fri Sep 2nd, 2011 at 03:31:09 PM EST
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Well, thermal is smaller so it can be expected to be more concentrated.

And yes, now it is developed by the west for the west. My line of thought is which branch is later easier adopted for production and usage along the equator, and my bet is on really on small thermal, which I think will benefit from advances in large solar.

Molten salt is storage and storage depends usage. But yes, if you need molten salt storage for it to make sense you are probably on a technological level where PV is as attractive as thermal.

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by A swedish kind of death on Fri Sep 2nd, 2011 at 04:24:10 PM EST
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My line of thought is which branch is later easier adopted for production and usage along the equator, and my bet is on really on small thermal, which I think will benefit from advances in large solar.

I'm not sure what you mean. If by "small thermal", you mean heat-generating solar thermal, that tecnology in fact has little to do with CSP and is really low-tech. As for CSP, I don't see how you get it small and cheap, and how you "low-tech" the receivers, generators and mirrors.

Meanwhile, even though PV is high-tech, half of production now shifted to domestic companies of low-wage East Asian countries.

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by DoDo on Sat Sep 3rd, 2011 at 03:27:16 AM EST
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Part of that depends on the thermal solar technology. The systems with collectors that collect the heat into a central generator is one approach, but there is also the system where each individual unit is a generator, such as the Stirling generator systems.

And of course, for the hybrid system linked to above that concentrates the solar onto a CPV module and harvests heat from that module ~ which also serves to provide the required cooling ~ the heat is more likely to be used directly, for solar Heating / AC, or solar hot water, or industrial process heat, so there is not necessarily any central thermal generator in the system. That is an especially interesting approach for urban uses in low income nations.

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by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Sep 2nd, 2011 at 05:34:22 PM EST
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there is also the system where each individual unit is a generator, such as the Stirling generator systems.

Aren't all of those even more high-tech?

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by DoDo on Sat Sep 3rd, 2011 at 03:29:14 AM EST
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You mean in the sense that being a Stirling Engine repairman is a more technically demanding occupation than maintaining and repairing a centralized thermal generation and molten salt heat storage?

No, I don't think the maintenance of those units is higher tech than the maintenance of the centralized systems. The reverse.

As far as keeping them maintained, a country like the DR Congo would obviously need to have a means of payment to a country like Brazil, but a country that can produce to the tolerance of modern automobiles ought to be able to produce to the tolerances of those type of thermal CSP's.


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by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Sep 3rd, 2011 at 10:38:09 AM EST
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