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Which I did.

But if actual industrial production doubles, then it's not totally out of the ballpark to suggest that the electricity consumption by the support functions (offices, mess halls, etc.) would increase by 33 %, which is the assumption that eurogreen objected to.

On that note, it may be worthwhile to separate use of synthetic lighting and appliances for commercial properties from efficiency of synthetic lighting and appliances. Or it may not, since the annual TWh budget for commercial lighting and appliances is definitely on the low end of the scale.

I'll also second the call elsewhere for an incorporation of electricity-based synthetic liquid fuel and gas plants into the model - that's proven technology that can be rolled out on an industrial scale, and offers the option to use untapped solar and wind reserves to substitute for liquid fuels in those uses that cannot be electrified.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Oct 16th, 2012 at 09:19:58 AM EST
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I agree that lighting is becoming such a small thing that it's not worth separating out.

Yeah, synfuels have to be one of the next big things in it.  First, I'll get multi-fuel district heating working; then I'll have a look at syn fuels.

If anyone can point me at some references for efficiencies and costs, I'd really appreciate it.  I'm in discussions with the team for the original DECC model too, so will pass these on upstream too.

by LondonAnalytics (Andrew Smith) on Tue Oct 16th, 2012 at 09:36:25 AM EST
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oops, yes I overlooked your imaginative doubling of the UK's industrial capacity... good luck with that. Off a low base, for sure.

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by eurogreen on Tue Oct 16th, 2012 at 10:46:28 AM EST
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I don't have hard numbers, but I think a doubling is roughly in the right ballpark for reshoring enough industry to get the net embedded energy in the foreign trade to zero. Certainly a plan that builds 50-60 thousand wind turbines will increase domestic industrial production substantially above trend.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Oct 16th, 2012 at 11:43:27 AM EST
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