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I didn't like that line at all. I felt, I don't know, that it sounded arrogant and even somewhat contemptous of soldiers
It's your prerogative.

Starvid:

But we might still worry about the US Navy.
And what exactly are you worrying about? Today's Navy, US or elsewhere, is a hundred times more powerful than in 1916, even with fewer ships overall.

Starvid:

Check out the video and tell me what you think.

As expressed above: that Romney's line "fewer ships in the Navy today than in 1916, ergo we're weaker", is incredibly dumbfuck. And yes, it's a standard GOP talking point: those peaceniks, "apologize-to-the terrists" Dems who hate America and weaken our troops. Well, that's no excuse: bullshit is as bullshit does. Romney served it and Obama gave him a well deserved spanking.
by Bernard on Wed Oct 24th, 2012 at 04:11:29 PM EST
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I think the point is that the US Navy is built to win a previous decade's war that never occurred.

But the US Navy has 51 frigates and 62 destroyers, even if the frigates are not as light as one might prefer for a primarily Sea Lane Control mission ... if so many were not dedicated to defending the increasingly vulnerable to missile attack full sized aircraft carriers, 12 groups of four frigates, four ASW/AAW destroyers (aka cruiser), and a fast attack boat mothership could easily be put together, some helicopter only around a Land Ship Dock mothership, some helicopter / jump jet around a Helicopter Dock mothership.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Oct 26th, 2012 at 05:47:31 PM EST
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Wait a minute, I misread the Wikipedia machine, it was 51 ships of the Oliver Hazard Perry class built ~ I believe its only 23 frigates in active service, so after six are decommissioned in 2013, only 17 frigates remaining.

That would be eight groups of two frigates, four DDG destroyers, a helicopter carrier and a dock landing ship, with the helicopter carrier and landing platform dock carrying a streetfighter squad of six fast attack missile boats each, with 20 Harriers, 6 ASW helicopters on the helicopter carrier in a sea control mode, 4 ASW helicopters on the landing platform dock, eight ASW helicopters on the four destroyers, and four smaller ASW helicopters on the two frigates.

Given a mission to pursue sea lane defense in the Atlantic, the west Pacific and through to Japan and Australia, that's quite a number of ships ...
... though taking on the mission that the Navy is presently pursuing to land an expeditionary force of Marines at some random location in some random part of the globe and blow shit up implies that most of those Sea Lane Defense Groups are too busy in the role of undermining the long term security of the US to be used for sea lane defense.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Oct 26th, 2012 at 09:26:06 PM EST
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