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Must people be under the obligation to save our public services the expense or what?  

Yes, as much as possible but that is not main issue.
Society has its right to prevent people making bad decision that will cost that society. That's why we have laws at all. Otherwise it would be anarchy (some people would love it). As much as I am for more freedom and less interference of government in to a people's life, freedom has its limits. In my eyes that limit is where one hurt others enjoying his freedom.  

by vbo on Wed Nov 7th, 2012 at 06:24:06 PM EST
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vbo:
Yes, as much as possible but that is not main issue

For me it is, and I would like to hear how far you would go! I am trying hard not to mention, oh darn, historical examples of the same.

by Katrin on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 03:33:38 AM EST
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You can mention historical examples as much as you want...there are a lot...especially on your side.
by vbo on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 03:53:52 AM EST
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"On my side" Interesting. I suspect you are not talking about my argument. Care to elaborate?
by Katrin on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 06:22:05 AM EST
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No.
by vbo on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 06:53:02 AM EST
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Half-baked insinuations aren't particularly classy in the first place. Failing to make your reasoning explicit when asked a direct question is not an improvement.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 04:22:25 PM EST
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Katrin needs to explain first her INSINUATIONS about historical examples that she OH tries so hard not to mention...
by vbo on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 09:13:30 PM EST
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The WestTM has a long history of more or less forcible eugenics, although mainly in the form of sterilization of the poor or mentally impaired, as opposed to forcing termination of their pregnancies. It sort of got a bad name after Nürnberg, but that doesn't mean that the tradition died out in 1945.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 09:53:43 PM EST
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Wasn't plain for me...
by vbo on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 11:25:32 PM EST
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Oh, and by the way:
No laws (or norms) = anomie
No domination = anarchy

Is it very difficult to get the difference? Why?

by Katrin on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 03:36:19 AM EST
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Oh thank you for lecturing me . I am so dumb.
by vbo on Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 09:19:08 PM EST
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I am glad that I've made the meaning of this post plain enough to be understood.
by Katrin on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 03:34:04 AM EST
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Heat-to-light threshold exceeded!

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 04:22:00 AM EST
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