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Further away from the USofA, one the biggest issue (and looming conflict) is around the Himalayas: China, India and Pakistan - respectively the first, second and sixth most populous countries - all rely on water supply from the Himalayan glaciers and seasonal snow packs. These glaciers have been receding for years:

United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP

Meanwhile in Asia the lives of some 2.4 billion people?40 per cent of the current global population?are influenced by the summer meltwaters of glaciers in the Himalayas-Hindu Kush, Kunlun Shan, Pamir and Tien Shanan mountain regions.

These glaciers could shrink by between just over 40 per and up to around 80 per cent by 2100 under current climate models with some mountain ranges completely devoid of glacial coverage.

Rivers at risk include the Syr Darya, Amu Darya, Indus, Ganges, Brahmaputra, Yangtze and Huang He or Yellow river where some 1.3 billion people could be at increased risk of water shortages and many more at risk of losing irrigation water for crops as well as disruptions to industry and power generation.

These are countries that have been at war at some point in the past 50 years and now have nuclear weapons. Not to mention the proximity of Iran (one of the non-sustainable countries) and Afghanistan, home of the Great Game. Clearly, some cause for concern.

by Bernard on Sun Feb 12th, 2012 at 11:30:36 AM EST
I just saw something a few days ago (here perhaps) suggesting that Himalayan glaciers weren't receding. I thought it was probably crap, but the notion is out there.
by Andhakari on Tue Feb 14th, 2012 at 07:29:25 AM EST
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Some people may recall that The IPCC stated in it's 2007 report that "Himalayan Glaciers will melt by 2035″ - some may also recall that the claim was clearly shown to be complete and utter nonsense

Himalayan glaciers melting deadline `a mistake'
By Pallava Bagla in Delhi

The Himalayas hold the planet's largest body of ice outside the polar caps

The UN panel on climate change warning that Himalayan glaciers could melt to a fifth of current levels by 2035 is wildly inaccurate, an academic says.

J Graham Cogley, a professor at Ontario Trent University, says he believes the UN authors got the date from an earlier report wrong by more than 300 years.

He is astonished they "misread 2350 as 2035".

(If I put that in a novel, no one would find it at all plausible.)

Some may also even recall that when the ridiculous IPCC claim was first questioned, IPCC chairman Rajenda Pachauri famously labeled claims of the mistake "voodo science". He later had to retract that slur, amid some ebarrassment (but not much).

Now it appears there hasn't been any melt at all in the last 10 years.

The Himalayas and nearby peaks have lost no ice in past 10 years, study shows

The world's greatest snow-capped peaks, which run in a chain from the Himalayas to Tian Shan on the border of China and Kyrgyzstan, have lost no ice over the last decade, new research shows.

The discovery has stunned scientists, who had believed that around 50bn tonnes of meltwater were being shed each year and not being replaced by new snowfall.



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by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Feb 14th, 2012 at 08:22:53 AM EST
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Careful about interpreting an eight-year time series...

The Himalayas and nearby peaks have lost no ice in past 10 years, study shows | Environment | The Guardian

The scientists are careful to point out that lower-altitude glaciers in the Asian mountain ranges - sometimes dubbed the "third pole" - are definitely melting. Satellite images and reports confirm this. But over the study period from 2003-10 enough ice was added to the peaks to compensate.

So :

  1. the glaciers of the Himalaya are definitely receding, the measurements on the ground show this (and led to the inaccurate mass estimates).
  2. the satellite that allows them to measure this is only there since 2002. You can't get a useable trend out of 8 years of data.


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by eurogreen on Tue Feb 14th, 2012 at 09:32:23 AM EST
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