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European conservatives plot against Sarkozy rival: report | News | DW.DE | 04.03.2012

Europe's conservatives have made a pact to try to hinder Nicolas Sarkozy's main challenger in France's presidential election, a German news outlet says. Angela Merkel and Co. will not receive Francois Hollande.

Merkel and the Italian and Spanish premiers, Mario Monti and Mariano Rajoy, agreed secretly that they would not provide Socialist party candidate Francois Hollande with a platform during the French election campaign, Der Spiegel news magazine reported over the weekend.

Apparently, the three conservatives took the step because they were outraged that Hollande said he would renegotiate the EU fiscal pact as president. The pact, which was driven by Merkel, is meant to stabilize the bloc's economies and preserve the euro.

In not meeting with Hollande, the three leaders hoped to avoid any implication that they supported his position on the fiscal pact.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt št gmail dotcom) on Sun Mar 4th, 2012 at 12:43:29 PM EST
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They're not required to meet him. There's a protocol for how it works which is why, when he came to England, he met with the leader of the opposition but not with Cameron.

Conservatives meet with conservatives, leftists meet with leftists.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Mar 5th, 2012 at 03:08:16 AM EST
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They're not required to, but what protocol are you talking about? You mean, if Sarkozy were the challenger and came to London, Cameron would be obliged by protocol not to meet him? BS.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Mar 5th, 2012 at 03:10:50 AM EST
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No, conservatives meet conservatives.

So Cameron is PM, he meets Sarko in power or not. But only meets Hollande should he get elected President.

When Brown was PM he would have greeted Hollande in power or not, but only met Sarko as President.

I doubt there's a formal declaration of such things, but that seems to be how it plays

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Mar 5th, 2012 at 06:07:39 AM EST
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Didn't Obama meet Merkel while he was a candidate? Does that mean Obama is a conservative? (you needn't answer that....)
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Mar 5th, 2012 at 06:16:00 AM EST
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It meant that the smart money was on Obama to win and no european poltician is gonna miss an opportunity to suck up to a US President in waiting

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Mar 5th, 2012 at 06:24:30 AM EST
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All right. What about Merkel meeting Ségolène Royal during the latter's campaign?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Mar 5th, 2012 at 08:54:45 AM EST
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G U A R D S !!         G U A R D S !!

Protocol breach in sector 42. Shoot them. Shoot them down. And, guards, ..... make sure you shoot to kill.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Mar 5th, 2012 at 09:24:30 AM EST
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... The same logic applies with respect to France, principal partner of Germany. The fact that Merkel has chosen not to suck up to Hollande, but to treat him as an adversary, is the story.

It hasn't got much press in France, which is a shame, because it can only be good for Hollande.

Un front anti-Hollande de dirigeants européens ? - LeMonde.fr An anti-Hollande front of European leaders? - LeMonde.fr
Pierre Moscovici, son directeur de campagne, avait dénoncé sur RTL une "pression conservatrice inédite dans l'histoire de l'Europe". "Il y avait des traditions, notamment entre la France et l'Allemagne, qui existaient depuis très longtemps et qui étaient que le chancelier, ou la chancelière, ou le président français quand c'était le cas inverse, recevait les principaux candidats des deux camps, a-t-il déclaré. Ca c'est toujours fait. Parce que l'amitié franco-allemande, et l'Europe, doivent dépasser les frontières partisanes. Ca n'a pas d'importance, parce qu'il les rencontrera après avec la légitimité du peuple français s'il a été élu, mais c'est quand même un recul." Pierre Moscovici, [Hollande's] campaign manager, had denounced a on RTL "conservative pressure unprecedented in the history of Europe" . "There were traditions, especially between France and Germany, which existed for a long time and were the Chancellor, or Chancellor, or the French president when it was the opposite case, received the main candidates for two camps, he said. It is always done. Because Franco-German friendship, and Europe, must trump partisan boundaries. It does not matter, because he will meet later with the legitimacy of the French people, if elected, but it's still a regression. "


It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Mon Mar 5th, 2012 at 08:55:45 AM EST
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It hasn't got much press in France, which is a shame, because it can only be good for Hollande.

Given the ownership of media, that is an explanation, not a shame.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Mar 5th, 2012 at 12:48:17 PM EST
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That's a purely political play, not a protocol.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Mar 5th, 2012 at 06:49:56 AM EST
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In times of European crisis, refusing to meet the probable future head of a major European nation is very stupid indeed; and probably bad politics too, which is why there is so much embarassment and backtracking over the story.

They know perfectly well that the election of Hollande would shift the balance of power significantly in favour of expansionist policies.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Mon Mar 5th, 2012 at 06:09:22 AM EST
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Hollande's "first foreign trip" to Germany is going to be laughs all around.

There are three stories about the euro crisis: the Republican story, the German story, and the truth. -- Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 5th, 2012 at 06:27:58 AM EST
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L'accord européen contre Hollande, "le baiser qui tue" pour Sarkozy, selon Villepin - LeMonde.fr The European pact against Hollande, "the kiss of death" for Sarkozy: Villepin - LeMonde.fr
Je crois que c'est véritablement le baiser qui tue et on peut s'interroger sur les intentions réelles d'Angela Merkel dans cette affaire.I think this is truly the kiss of death and one wonders about the real intentions of Angela Merkel in this case.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Mar 5th, 2012 at 03:13:57 AM EST
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> the real intentions of Angela Merkel

According to the playbook of her mentor the Fat Man, the best ally is a wounded ally.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt št gmail dotcom) on Mon Mar 5th, 2012 at 04:29:38 AM EST
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Eurointelligence this morning (e-mail bulletin):

Merkel's aim is to do everything to prevent Hollande from gaining European credibility in order to diminish his chances of becoming the next president instead of Nicolas Sarkozy. The chancellor is worried that the Socialist's election will jeopardize the fiscal pact that was signed at last week's EU summit because Hollande has pledged to reopen negotiations on the pact. Cameron who has not signed to the pact is also eager to for Sarkozy to win. The German foreign minister criticised the move and said that Germany should signal that it was willing to work with whomever the French chose to elect. However Merkel's spokesman denied the chancellor had initiated an alliance against Hollande by saying that each head of government decided on his own whether or not to receive the Socialist candidate.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Mar 5th, 2012 at 03:23:01 AM EST
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