There is nothing in the thread (either in DCB's commentary, Mélenchon's reply or Redstar's gloss) which indicates this "good faith" position. What is clear is that DCB is arguing in favour of the European and infra-state levels, and that Mélenchon and Redstar are arguing for abandoning both and retrenching to the nation-state. This is what I refer to as the 19th century battles.

Certainly, the argument that energy can be fixed by nationalising it is a caricature of this sort of reflex. I'm inclined to agree with DCB that dismembering EDF is a prerequisite to attaining a sustainable future.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II}