Welcome to European Tribune. It's gone a bit quiet around here these days, but it's still going.
Display:

Which is similar to the beliefs of the ecology movement or environmentalism. 'So why should we undertake complex political, organizational, and technical work to get big things done, when it's all marred in 'inefficiencies', 'compromises', and 'corruption'? We can sit back and enjoy the show!'  

That's a very wide brush tarring a complex AND still powerfully diverse group of people and ideas.

nobody's perfekt, and all movements have their own mistakes and silliness... but come on. Are you one who understands the ecology in which this "civilization" lives that you can deride the one thread which brings a little health into the equation?

Surprised no one else picked up on this mistake. Guess i'll just sit back and enjoy the show.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri Apr 13th, 2012 at 07:12:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Surprised no one else picked up on this mistake.

I did not see it as a 'mistake' so much as a question of balance, perhaps because I have had occasion to be annoyed by some aspects of the environmental movement myself. Which is not to say that I don't support saving the environment - to the extent we can.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Apr 13th, 2012 at 09:10:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Crazy Horse:
Surprised no one else picked up on this mistake. Guess i'll just sit back and enjoy the show.

i thought my snark meter had broken.

it's the far right religious fatalists (of divers national stripes) who think like that. Destroy us Jaysusss, we are such self-hating filth kick all our miserable sinning asses to kingdom come...

the more hollywood the better, for their taste.

it's fantasy to think we can turn it around institutionally until more individuals see the point of sacrificing at least some of our globegobbling lifestyles and do something about it so others can have a life.

institutions are notoriously turgid and serve as brakes on doing things too swiftly, but there's no time to take them on as they are, so politically well-defended and inertial.

a more direct, populist approach might work, but first more and more people have to dare wake up.

with all the alarms triggering, it's no wonder that's exactly what's happening, arab spring and all. it's just still too fragmented globally to do more than flare up sporadically, topple some tinpot who's overstayed his shelf life... then back to BAU, with more uniforms and religion than before.

unlike the 1%, whose private jets are welcome wherever there are ** hotels, golf, gambling and beaches.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Apr 13th, 2012 at 09:19:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
i meant 6 stars, put 6 up there but only 2 came out, done got html'd i think.

doesn't make sense with 2 stars, although that's prolly what's in store for everyone if we're lucky, till we pass the resource bottleneck/singularity whatever, and the utopia fairies dispense baby palomino unicorns to the strains of kumbaya.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Apr 13th, 2012 at 09:25:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I saw it and still gave the comment a 4.

The only understanding of that phrase I could reach was either a reference to certain environmentalists' rejection of large industrial schemes (which I don't share), or a reference to certain environmentalists' belief in a natural equilibrium which would establish itself if only we would stop "meddling" with Nature. Another belief I don't share, that finds its roots (for most in the Western world, at least) in Enlightenment thinking about the natural state, and is paralleled by economic-liberal equilibrium beliefs.

But it's true epochepoque's brush is very broad there.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Apr 14th, 2012 at 02:09:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That's what I meant. I didn't want to diss environmentalism in general or say they just sit back. The "sit back" part applies to the neolibs.

Schengen is toast!
by epochepoque on Sat Apr 14th, 2012 at 02:44:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I've given it a four as well, particularly because the links and nested links are so damn good.

But to discount the "ecology movement" with such a broad brush is completely false, despite wide environmentalism having its own problems to solve... like all pirate movements.

I'm thinking the link between corporate poison and finance was never completely clear to them. Yet we have Mike Roselle, a founder of Earth First! and the man who put the teeth back into the Stop Mountaintop Removal effort, going to live in coal country to foment direct action. His efforts attract the attention of Reverend Billy Talen, who then takes direct action to the lobbies of the Wall St. banks who finance mountaintop removal. And piles coal waste in the lobbies, while having his gospel choir singing.

and bingo, some of them stop, as it's just too bad for their image.

Perhaps epoch's wording was poor, perhaps doesn't quite understand how widespread the poison is within the system, but it's a false meme to spread.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sat Apr 14th, 2012 at 03:01:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Display:

Occasional Series