Bundesrat saves PV (and loses Röttgen) | 18 comments (18 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

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It is also a transfer from the cities and those with small children to elderly rural and suburban dwellers. There is considerable unease at electricity bills in Germany. It remains to be seen how long the SPD can keep course.

by oliver on Sun May 13th, 2012 at 08:30:29 AM EST
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From cities to rural dwellers: possibly. I don't see how it is a transfer from families to elderly people, could you explain? Above all, DoDo has debunked the mantra that there was considerable unease at electricity bills in Germany: most people are prepared to pay slightly more for renewable energy. There is no need for it: wind and solar are driving the prices down. Not only the prices for peak demand, but also for base load, so what are you talking about?

by Katrin on Sun May 13th, 2012 at 08:58:09 AM EST
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I don't see how it is a transfer from families to elderly people, could you explain?

It depends on the demographics of homeowners and the amount of income spent on electricity. People with children, especially small children, have a higher electricity bill. People with grown children don't and are likelier to have money to invest into a PV installation on their roof, which they are likelier to own.

most people are prepared to pay slightly more for renewable energy

Except those who can ill afford it. That applies mostly to poorer families with multiple children. That makes it sensitive.

There is no need for it: wind and solar are driving the prices down

The causes are debatable, but the prices are clear. Electricity is becoming more expensive in Germany to household consumers.

by oliver on Sun May 13th, 2012 at 09:11:49 AM EST
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Do you have poll numbers to support your theory?

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sun May 13th, 2012 at 09:26:42 AM EST
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We will see how the FDP fares today in NRW.

by oliver on Sun May 13th, 2012 at 09:48:57 AM EST
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Re: Bundesrat saves PV (and loses Röttgen) (4.00 / 5)

whatever happens today in NRW, we won't see a stampede of the poor or of poorer families to the FDP. That much I can prognosticate.

by IM on Sun May 13th, 2012 at 10:51:37 AM EST
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If exit polls hold, there was apparently a stampede of CDU voters going to the FDP. What this has to do with solar power, I can't decide.

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sun May 13th, 2012 at 12:11:34 PM EST
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Probably nothing at all.

by IM on Sun May 13th, 2012 at 12:23:05 PM EST
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Fares good. But at the cost of the CDU, so the message is a bit unclear.

by IM on Sun May 13th, 2012 at 12:20:32 PM EST
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Re: Bundesrat saves PV (and loses Röttgen) (4.00 / 5)

The prices for electricity are rising only very moderately. In the period of time in the table the prices for transport have risen much faster. Or take the "reforms" of health care: I have been paying for the glasses of two children ever since. More expensive than the electricity bill. And don't get me started on textbooks for school: in civilised countries they would be free. It is only anecdotal of course, but I don't know anybody who worries about the electricity bill. Families worry about the costs for football shoes, glasses and the bus ticket of their children.

by Katrin on Sun May 13th, 2012 at 09:35:21 AM EST
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Re: Bundesrat saves PV (and loses Röttgen) (4.00 / 8)

This is only a few weeks old:

Schlechtes Image: Stromanbieter bleiben unbeliebt		Bad image: electricity suppliers remain unpopular
Noch beliebter als die Sonnenstrom-Branche ist nur das Handwerk, das auf einer Beliebtheitsskala von -5 bis +5 einen Wert von 3,2 erreichte. Die Solarwirtschaft schaffte 2,7 Beliebtheitspunkte. Gasversorger und Stromanbieter erhielten dagegen nur je ein 0,2 - deutlich schlechter als der Durchschnitt aller Branchen, der bei 0,7 liegt. Unterboten werden die Energieversorger nur von vier Wirtschaftszweigen: Versicherungen (-0,3) und Banken (-0,8), der Kernkraft-Industrie (-1,9) und der Mineralölwirtschaft (-2,1).		Even more popular than the solar power industry is only skilled crafts which achieved popularity of 3.2 on a scale of -5 to 5. The solar industry managed to achieve a 2.7 popularity points. Gas suppliers and electricity suppliers on other hand received only 0.2 each - significantly worse than the average for all industries, which is 0.7. Energy suppliers were undercut by only four branches of the economy: insurance (-0.3) and banks (-0.8), the nuclear power industry (-1.9) and the petroleum industry (-2.1).
...Auch die steigenden Stromkosten schreiben die meisten Kunden dem Gewinnstreben der Versorger zu. Die Ökostromförderung spielt nach Ansicht der Befragten dagegen nur eine untergeordnete Rolle bei den Preissteigerungen. 72 Prozent der Befragten gehen allerdings davon aus, dass der Ausbau der Ökostromerzeugung zu steigenden Strompreisen führen wird. Das Branchen-Ranking bildet einen Teil des "Energiemonitor 2012", den der BDEW jährlich erstellt, und basiert auf einer repräsentativen Umfrage. Die Ergebnisse liegen seit März vor, wurden bislang aber nicht veröffentlicht.		...Most customers also ascribe the rising cost of electricity to the suppliers' pursuit of profit. The promotion of green power however plays only a minor role in the price increases in the opinion of respondents. 72 percent of respondents assume, however, that the expansion of green electricity will result in rising electricity prices. The industry ranking is part of "Energy Monitor 2012", which BDEW prepares annually, and is based on a representative survey. The results have been available since March, but have not yet been published.

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by DoDo on Sun May 13th, 2012 at 09:42:34 AM EST
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