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I find this whole notion of "belief" to be mysterious. Most of us thought Obama was exactly who he presented himself to be, a moderate, cautious, reformer within the framework of the Democratic party - which is US version of social democrat - but without much baggage from the New Deal era. And that is exactly what we got - although I have been enormously encouraged by how tenacious and smart the Obama administration has been.  My expectations were also that the right would do all it could to sabotage this administration, that the right wing of the Democratic party would be totally unreliable, and that the "progressive" wing would fail to do much but complain. Again, no surprises.
by rootless2 on Tue May 8th, 2012 at 08:17:31 AM EST
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What moderate, cautious reforms has the Obama administration promoted, exactly?

RomneyCare was always - well - RomneyCare.

And your other reforms are where?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue May 8th, 2012 at 08:29:12 AM EST
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Romney care is not bad - at the time Romney put it in place in MA, he was a pro-choice moderate, and the bill was mostly crafted by the Democratic legislature. Getting it through the Congress was a stunning success.
It is the most powerful attempt to deal with income inequality in 50 years.

I'm kind of happy with the largest stimulus ever
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/12/putting_the_stimulus_bill_in_p.html
that saved the US and the world from immediate depression.

I'm thrilled the EPA is regulating mercury from coal - something that will help destroy the coal business.

The Obama administration saved the US wind industry, the auto industry and the largest industrial union, plus the credit unions.

The financial reform is damaging the fee for everything model of US banking.

The US is out of Iraq and not in Iran.

There is a functioning enforcement of civil rights laws from the Federal government after 8 years of encouragement of police violence.

Torture is banned

Two decent people on the Supreme Court instead of two more devotees of the Mussolini School of Jurisprudence.

Higher wages for the poorest farm workers.

Forcing Boeing to back down on plans to destroy the Machinists union.

... much more than I had hoped for.

by rootless2 on Tue May 8th, 2012 at 09:29:58 AM EST
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Given Obama's involvement with the legislative process involved in the accomplishments that required legislation it is hard for me to say that the result is owing very much to his involvement. But the way he handled that process was favorable to the lobbyists and their clients getting satisfactory outcomes - the polity as a whole, not so much, IMO.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue May 8th, 2012 at 09:34:15 PM EST
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Undoubtedly you are correct. Reforms like health reform that eluded Truman on were probably passed due to, perhaps, the weather or the magnetic pulses emanating from Atlantis.
by rootless2 on Tue May 8th, 2012 at 10:20:33 PM EST
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They were passed because that was the legislative priority of a majority of the House, Senate and the White House and had been a stated aim during the campaign. Given the Senate was close to a two thirds majority they had a chance and if nothing were to come from such a rare alignment of the stars all would look like fools. They needed something to brag about. They got something. The lobbyists got just about everything they could have desired.

With Obama's leadership this is about as good as it could get. God help us. With all of the challenges which confront us the best we could do was to feed the FIRE parasites at least a third of what we spend on health care, giving us a health care system substantially more expensive than any other on earth that delivers performance below at least twenty other countries on a variety of measures. All of Congress gets their contributions and the Republicans get to claim that there is no money for anything else.

The USA is truly a rentier paradise, but this is an unstable paradise. The bloated FIRE sector is sucking the life out of the real economy and, through their effective  capture of the federal government they have come to have de facto impunity, which is undermining rule of law on which the economic system depends even as the rent extraction is destroying the economic base which supports the entire edifice. Obama will be fortunate if the entire edifice does not collapse during his second term. When people say that the USA is the greatest country on earth I do not try to dispute them. I just note that that is the problem.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed May 9th, 2012 at 12:26:34 AM EST
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You hit the key point above: what you have from Smith, Fitch and others is a narrative. It is a narrative that does not depend on facts, but has an emotional resonance.
by rootless2 on Wed May 9th, 2012 at 07:21:14 AM EST
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Fitch's narrative adds a few facts and observations to the standard Obama narrative. The additional complexity renders that narrative less of a hagiography and you respond with fury and invective directed at Yves Smith who characterized Fitch's speech as showing "How Obama's Early Career Success Was Built on Fronting for Chicago Real Estate and Finance".

Fitch was responding to a specific request from The Harlem Tenants Association: "to foretell what an Obama Administration is going to do for cities, housing and neighborhoods." Fitch looked at the parts of Obama's history where he was involved in housing and concluded that Obama was likely to continue to view housing issues in the context of the contributions he could get from others with financial interests there and be less concerned with negative impacts on residents. Fitch was not trying to 'prove' Obama was anything. This was a speech to a group with interests likely to be impacted by Obama Administration policy which likely included a number of Obama supporters, but they had asked him a question and he responded as he saw fit. The election was over. You claim Fitch failed to 'prove' anything, but he never set out to do that and a speech was not an appropriate vehicle in which to make such an attempt.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed May 9th, 2012 at 11:36:27 AM EST
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No those are not facts. What you have is factesque.

And Fitch's "analysis" works like this

  1. Chicago has the same sort of conspiracy to destroy black neighborhoods that we had in NYC (unproven)
  2. Some of Obama's supporters are involved in housing development in Chicago (zero analysis of how successful those were for poor people)
  3. Those people are rich scum who don't care about the poor (based on zero)
  4. Therefore, Obama is fronting for rich developers who don't care about the poor. QED.

that kind of drivel may serve as analysis for people who think Bob Avakian is deep or Yves Smith is an authority on "leftism", but I'm unimpressed.

And it's characteristic that instead of EVER making an effort to defend the indefensible crap from Smith, you attack me for supposedly insisting on hagiography. No. I know the difference between "we keep saying it over and over" and fact.

by rootless2 on Wed May 9th, 2012 at 11:59:40 AM EST
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I would never think of Yves Smith as an authority on "leftism". That seems to be what you claim for yourself.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed May 9th, 2012 at 12:59:15 PM EST
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When you quote someone approvingly, either stand up for what they said or admit you were wrong

Barack Obama remains an icon to many on what passes for the left in America despite incontrovertible evidence that he does not represent their interests. There are many contributing factors, including his considerable skills as a speaker and his programmatic effort to neuter liberal critics by getting their funding cut.

Love that theory from a libertarian Wall Street consultant.

by rootless2 on Wed May 9th, 2012 at 01:12:44 PM EST
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Others than professional authorities may have and even express opinions and I do agree with what you just quoted.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed May 9th, 2012 at 01:52:22 PM EST
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So Citizen Obama and State Senator Obama is responsible for everything happening in Chicago during the eighties, nineties and 2000-2008.

President Obama on the other hand is just a innocent bystander to anything achieved during his presidency.

And he isn't even dead yet:

The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.

by IM on Thu May 10th, 2012 at 07:15:55 AM EST
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So Citizen Obama and State Senator Obama is responsible for everything happening in Chicago during the eighties, nineties and 2000-2008.

No. The argument is that he was the public face of those wealthy families and large donors who were demolishing public housing in the interests of profits and gentrification and an occasional defender of those who were exploiting the refugees as well as personally profiting from his relationship with at least one of exploiters - Tony Rezko - while ignoring the complaints of his constituents about the harmful impacts on the poorest.

As president he has continued to display a similar pattern of ignoring the complaints of those harmed by Wall Street, occasionally defending them publicly, as with his 'sharp guys' comment about TBTF CEOs, and presiding over an administration that repeatedly settles potentially damaging law suits against the TBTFs for pennies on the dollar and extends to them instead regulatory forbearance.

His behavior is a continuation of the pattern that emerged in Chicago of putting the interests of wealthy donors first. The problem with that is that in the case of Wall Street he is failing to properly enforce the rule of law in the interests of preserving individuals and corporations that are both undermining the rule of law and undermining the foundations of the US economy and society.

 

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 10th, 2012 at 10:50:18 AM EST
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No. The argument is that he was the public face of those wealthy families and large donors who were demolishing public housing in the interests of profits and gentrification and an occasional defender of those who were exploiting the refugees as well as personally profiting from his relationship with at least one of exploiters - Tony Rezko - while ignoring the complaints of his constituents about the harmful impacts on the poorest.

If that's the argument, it is a lie - actually a compounded lie. You could rescue yourself by finding a link documenting a couple of cases where Obama acted as the "public face" of some interest demolishing public housing, but there is no such link. What you can find is that he appeared in court for a client of his law firm once or twice.

Here's the interesting question though. The guy has been President for 3+ years, he was Senator for 3 years before, and what you have to to do attack him is echo right wing slanders that have been twisted into a putatively left wing flavor. What exactly did Obama DO that you find so offensive?

by rootless2 on Thu May 10th, 2012 at 11:05:07 AM EST
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I have cited the case where Obama personally defended the interests of Woodlawn over tenants regarding failuer to provide heat in winter and he served on the boards of many of the non-profits who were pushing the agenda and accepting the process from which the wealthy profited and the poor suffered. It is obviously what he hasn't done that concerns me, both in Chicago, where it affected mostly the poorest among his constituents and as president where it has affected the entire economy and society at the expense of all but a tiny portion of the population. Other than that he is a nice guy and I much prefer him being the public face of the USA than, for instance, George W. Bush.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 10th, 2012 at 11:18:18 AM EST
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Your assertion was "served as the public face" and your support is a single court appearance as an attorney, being on some boards and "accepting the process" which is a meaningless assertion about internal mental state.  Wow.

The rest is hand waving. You cannot support a case that Obama has been a President who damaged the interests of the majority from fluff about what he didn't say 20 years ago.

BTW: it's interesting that people who make a living from exploiting the poor really really really hate President Obama - even more than you do.

by rootless2 on Thu May 10th, 2012 at 11:33:02 AM EST
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The Fitch speech is itself a "link documenting a couple of cases". Perhaps you should have said 'another link'. And I don't hate Obama, I do hate his failure to uphold rule of law in the financial industry.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 10th, 2012 at 12:58:25 PM EST
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No it's not. There is not a single case of Obama "acting as the public face" of a real-estate developer in what Fitch writes.

Did I miss it? Give me the passage.

by rootless2 on Thu May 10th, 2012 at 01:11:03 PM EST
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Here.

Meanwhile, Obama did legal work for the Rezko-Davis partnership. And forCommunity Development Organizations like Woodlawn Organization.

In 1994, the LATimes reports, Obama appeared in Cook County court on behalf of Woodlawn Preservation & Investment Corp., defending it against a suit by the city, which alleged that the company failed to provide heat for low-income tenants on the South Side during the winter.


Now you will switch back from denying to denigrating. Had the Obama transition team had the foresight to send to Fitch's speech to the Harlem Tenants Association a couple of agents as vociferous in Obama's defense as are you Fitch might never have gotten to finish his speech - had most of the audience believed said agents and not Fitch. And Fitch would likely have been able to oblige requests for additional links.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 10th, 2012 at 02:43:41 PM EST
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So Obama, as a junior attorney apparently did some legal work for "the Rezko-Davis" partnership and for the Woodlawn Organization.

Even if we just accepted this it is a very long way from "acted as the public face". Do you understand how the legal profession works? Representing a client is not the same as being the client. One might as well argue that Clarence Darrow was a depraved murderer of children.

And "The WoodLawn Organization" to take one example, has a mixed track record. It was cofounded by the legendary Saul Alinsky. Can we say Alinsky was the public face of real-estate developers? It has built over a thousand units of section 8 housing in Bronzeville - section 8 housing is housing for poor people. TWO has defects, maybe big defects, but it is not a gentrification factory or the evil that Fitch pretends it to be.

Finally, the whole "public face" argument is at the bottom a variant of the Right wing claim that every prominent black man is a shallow front for a white string puller. It's a deeply racist argument with a despicable history. Instead of engaging in poorly researched and dishonestly presented claims about who Obama is supposedly "fronting for", how about making an actual argument on his political career?

by rootless2 on Thu May 10th, 2012 at 06:30:12 PM EST
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How about we just drop the argument? Mostly what we are arguing over is how to characterize Fitch's argument and Yves Smith's presentation. Any who are interested can just read the article and the speech and decide for themselves. Most of those on ET do not require to be told what to think about much of anything while remaining open to the possibility that they might learn something. I was surprised that you responded with such vehemence to what was a rather minor criticism of Obama. There was no intent to accuse him of wrongdoing. Just that his relations and associations in Chicago gave some indication of what he would do as president and why.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 10th, 2012 at 07:29:55 PM EST
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rootless2:
a variant of the Right wing claim that every prominent black man is a shallow front for a white string puller

really?

it's seems more the other way round to me, coming from the left, directed against colon powell, clarence thomas, and herman cain, to name a few.

can you give examples of the direction you name?

this whole discussion describes the conflict between 'white' and 'AA', 'rich' and 'poor' values that obama embodies, the half white careerist who has known poverty, and is now a millionaire. just as he governs bipartisanly, just as he seems sometimes a Janus figure, talking up a vivid rhetoric that warms the cockles of those low on the totem pole, while taking more campaign money from rich white wall st fatcats than anyone else, campaigning on social justice, then letting the criminal architects of the biggest ever financial crisis walk free, gentrifying chicago and helping/hurting some black and white people in the process.

nothing wrong with resolving duality, per se, but when you keep going down the list, re making strides with global nuclear disarmament, while further decimating habeus corpus and increasing drone use on countries with whom no war has been declared, with significant civilian 'collateral' slaughter, strike one war, then surge in another...

are these an example of how widely we should be thinking, to stay abreast of the changing, ever-more pragmatic realities we are encountering, or is this man a 'human bridge' between two hitherto irreconcilable political poles, a bridge too difficult for ordinary people to conceive of, let alone follow him across?

he is an enigma. if he is a good man, then the presidency as real power is mostly illusion, and a mostly corporatist, corrupt congress and senate really determine the peoples' fate, or if not, as others on the right believe, he is a fraudulent, self-centred demagogue whose appeal to those on the left was just a good line in rhetoric and vapourware, and all this politicking is just a ploy to game a good post prez career in platinum paid speechifying to the converted, a la blair/clinton.

any centrist must accept being hated by the extreme left and right, it comes with the territory, and it seems he has made the choice so far to endlessly split the difference, neither trumpeting his achievements, letting them speak for themselves, nor apologising. a man of taste and distinction. rapidly greying hair, and an easy, assured smile. really disarming public figure. judged as a performer, his histrionic sense is orders of magnitude beyond anyone else on the political horizon, in a league of his own.

he's a triumph of political manoeuvrings, a changeling hybrid between noble statesman and manchurian candidate. a man of destiny, on whom historians will spend tomes dissecting his character and psychosocial underpinnings, the constituent formation of his persona's ~and personal~ journey through ideology to praxis.

can you imagine how gwb would have strutted if he had zapped osama? it would have made the flight suit braggadocio seemed mild.

fools rush in, and obama goes slow. where he's taking us remains to be seen, or even if he can do more than remain a voice of relative sanity as epochal change far beyond his power to influence, or do much to amend, simultaneously hits the whole world, revolutionising  societal systems as we know them. so far i still give him the benefit of the doubt that his acumen has been hobbled by unseen, opaque forces up till now, and his second term could unleash different sides to him, especially if european events continue to expose neolib economics as the corporate welfare clusterfuck it really is.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu May 10th, 2012 at 08:48:59 PM EST
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I have not seen much claim that Powell, Thomas, or whatshisname are or were puppets.

One cannot really have this discussion until facts are established. For example

"while taking more campaign money from rich white wall st fatcats than anyone else"

is not a fact. In fact, it is trivially refuted, but continues to be an article of faith - which is an interesting phenomenon. Apparently people need to believe this.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2012/05/super-pac-spending-teeters-at-100-million-mark.html

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/candidate.php?id=N00009638

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/sectorall.php?cycle=2012

"gentrifying chicago"

An accusation, not backed up by anything.

And then
"nothing wrong with resolving duality, per se, but when you keep going down the list, re making strides with global nuclear disarmament, while further decimating habeus corpus and increasing drone use on countries with whom no war has been declared, with significant civilian 'collateral' slaughter, strike one war, then surge in another... "

makes no sense at all. Such duality is the best one can expect in our world where the nature of power is brutality. E.g. LBJ "revolution in civil rights while atrocities in Vietnam". Is there a single office holder in world history who does better than mixed?

"he is an enigma"
Yes, that is the claim, but it's a statement of belief, not a fact.

"self-centred demagogue whose appeal to those on the left was just a good line in rhetoric and vapourware,"

He ran for office as an avowed moderate and centrist.

To me, all these celebrity character psychological arguments are gibberish that makes me miss the old vulgar class analysis of the communists. At least that had some content.

by rootless2 on Thu May 10th, 2012 at 09:08:09 PM EST
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thanks for the reply.

rootless2:

I have not seen much claim

that implies you have seen some... i thought maybe you had your wires crossed!

do you have any examples of rightist claims obama is a stooge for white interests?

rootless2:

"while taking more campaign money from rich white wall st fatcats than anyone else"

is not a fact.

i was referring to the last election, excuse me if i am wrong.

rootless2:

"gentrifying chicago"

An accusation, not backed up by anything.

just riffing off the diary, so you think it's all smoke and no fire then, ok.

rootless2:

"nothing wrong with resolving duality, per se, but when you keep going down the list, re making strides with global nuclear disarmament, while further decimating habeus corpus and increasing drone use on countries with whom no war has been declared, with significant civilian 'collateral' slaughter, strike one war, then surge in another... "

makes no sense at all. (exactly my point, ed) Such duality is the best one can expect in our world where the nature of power is brutality. E.g. LBJ "revolution in civil rights while atrocities in Vietnam". Is there a single office holder in world history who does better than mixed?

Such duality is the best one can expect in our world where the nature of power is brutality.

one begs to differ, history is not the future, yet anyway! the whole mojo obama bottled and fed us was a new approach to politics, and that's what we got alright, not governance leadership with fire in the belly as in the campaign, but pandering to special interests, (BP?) and extending the draconian, unconstitutional over-reach of the previous madministration.

rootless2:

LBJ "revolution in civil rights while atrocities in Vietnam".

yes LBJ split his pants too trying to keep opposing sides from mutual assured political destruction, your point being?

Is there a single office holder in world history who does better than mixed?

did i say there was? has there ever been such a politician as promising as obama in living memory?

straw man anyway, i wasn't remarking on his similarity to anyone, rather the opposite. usually by the end of the first term it's pretty freaking obvious what you got, not with Obama.

rootless2:

"he is an enigma"
Yes, that is the claim, but it's a statement of belief, not a fact.

i claim the opinion, sure. enigmas resist factualisation by nature.

rootless2:

He ran for office as an avowed moderate and centrist.

yes and also a firebreathing radical, depends where you saw him from, or which speech he was giving, to whom.

if my comment was content-free gibberish, why bother dignifying it with a reply?

rootless2:

makes me miss the old vulgar class analysis of the communists.

de gustibus non disputandum, comrade!

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu May 10th, 2012 at 09:52:11 PM EST
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I'd be fascinated to see a link to a speech from Obama where he came off as a fire breathing radical.

Certainly I don't know anyone who expected him to be the first political leader in human history to be without sin.

Last election numbers are often misstated.

1    Lawyers/Law Firms    $45,386,298
2    Retired    $42,859,404
3    Education    $24,533,794
4    Securities & Investment    $15,798,904
5    Misc Business    $15,170,193
6    Health Professionals    $12,661,821
7    Business Services    $11,947,978
8    Real Estate    $11,184,773
9    Computers/Internet    $9,262,922
10    TV/Movies/Music    $9,205,821
11    Civil Servants/Public Officials    $9,191,48

Securities and Investment is "contributions from people who worked at Securities and Investment Companies"- secretaries to top execs.  So my friend, the single mother clerk who gave $2000 is listed as coming from securities industry.

The whole reason the Supreme Court had to strike down campaign expenditure limits for corporations is that the Obama campaign managed to raise more money than the right from mostly small contributions.

And I didn't say your post was gibberish.

by rootless2 on Thu May 10th, 2012 at 10:41:55 PM EST
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rootless2:

Certainly I don't know anyone who expected him to be the first political leader in human history to be without sin.

nor do i.

i don't expect pigs to fly much either.

but i do argue that the canyon between his gift of hope while stumping and the post-election reality is ginormous, and it mystifies me how the gentleman reconciles the contradictions. when i say he's no open book, i don't grudge him that. i respect his abiity to compartmentalise is some ways, though it leaves me feeling winded, and while somewhat bitter about the let down, as many are,, i don't feel i really know obama, whereas most pols are pretty transparent.

he has done enough good as a president, in the face of such recalcitrance, that he'd get my vote just to try and thwart the epidemic of crazy from the GOP. it's far from a case of 'they're all the same at heart' with him.

he has shown himself to have a voice which rings chimes of freedom in the dispossessed, and it takes great courage to be the first non-lilywhite president in a country seething still with racism. as historical figure the man defies easy analysis, as is seen from the intense defence he gets from you, (and half of me), as well as the raw hatred for him as smoothtalking warmonger and agent for the 1% from the likes of some on the extreme left, who sometimes seem to hate him as much as the foamers in the teabaggers do.

i reserve judgment.

rootless2:

And I didn't say your post was gibberish.

some will certainly see my contributions that way, i don't hold it against them, they may be right!

there is no shame in my book in scrutinising and discussing the psychology of anyone, especially a man whose actions have such a massive effect on the lives of millions, indeed it is a world citizen's right and duty to do so, imo. we certainly have a better map of human aberration available now than we did a few decades ago, when concepts such as boundaries were much less understood. human motivation is often inscrutable, but rarely is as cryptic as evinced by obama, who effortlessly seems to serve two masters...

if i were to play with a musical metaphor i'd say he's a 'four tops' type. 'reach out, i'll be there!'

on the campaign he sometimes sounded more marvin gaye, s'all.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri May 11th, 2012 at 06:27:11 AM EST
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"ut i do argue that the canyon between his gift of hope while stumping and the post-election reality is ginormous,"


ANGELA DAVIS: Well, of course, initially, few people believed that a figure like Barack Obama could ever be elected to the presidency of the United States, and because there were those who persisted, and, you know, largely young people, who helped to build this movement to elect Barack Obama, making use of all of the new technologies of communication. And so, on that day, November 4th, 2008, when Obama was elected, this was a world historical event. People celebrated literally all over the world -- in Africa, in Europe, in Asia, in South America, in the Caribbean, in the US. I was in Oakland, and there was literally dancing in the street. I didn't -- I don't remember any other moment that can compare to that collective euphoria that gripped people all over the world.

Now, here we are two years later, and many people are treating this as if it were business as usual. As a matter of fact, many people are dissatisfied with the Obama administration, because they fail to fulfill all of our dreams. And, you know, one of the points that I frequently make is that we have to beware of our tendency here in this country to look for messiahs and to project our own possible potential power on to others. What really disturbs me is that we have failed. Well, of course, I'm dissatisfied with many of the things that Obama has done. The war in Afghanistan needs to end right now. The healthcare bill could have been much stronger than it turned out to be. There are many issues about which we can be critical of Obama, but at the same time, I think we need to be critical of ourselves for not generating the kind of mass pressure to compel the Obama administration to move in a more progressive direction, remembering that the election was, in large part, primarily the result of just such a mass movement that was created by ordinary people all over the country.

by rootless2 on Fri May 11th, 2012 at 11:41:11 AM EST
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rootless2:
primarily the result of just such a mass movement that was created by ordinary people all over the country.
 ...who voted for the stumping obama, and if they had had a crystal ball would possibly have stayed home.

now it's back to voting for him because the alternative seems so much worse.

rootless2:

I think we need to be critical of ourselves for not generating the kind of mass pressure to compel the Obama administration to move in a more progressive direction

thank kos for much of that pressure, but much more is needed.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri May 11th, 2012 at 12:57:02 PM EST
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" ...who voted for the stumping obama, and if they had had a crystal ball would possibly have stayed home."

And would have found themselves impoverished and wary of Blackwater guards in Sarah Palin's America - or, for many of them, in Iran patrolling the streets.

"Pressure" and "vituperative attacks on the morals and character of a reformist President" are not the same things. What Dr. Davis means by pressure is something else.

by rootless2 on Fri May 11th, 2012 at 01:00:34 PM EST
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 what is 'something else'? petitions, letters to congress, blogging, OWS, general strike?

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri May 11th, 2012 at 04:05:43 PM EST
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Strikes, marches, elections of lower officials, boycotts, propagandizing, ...

Here in my state, Tea Party has gone from marches to winning primaries. "Left" is writing letters to The Nation.

by rootless2 on Fri May 11th, 2012 at 04:07:28 PM EST
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rootless2:
I find this whole notion of "belief" to be mysterious.

I do not. In order to convince yourself to spend time and money promoting a politician - that will personally be rewarded if elected, while you will not - and spend that time and money convincing others, many need to suspend their disbelief in the system.

rootless2:

Most of us thought Obama was exactly who he presented himself to be, a moderate, cautious, reformer within the framework of the Democratic party

Citation needed on "most". No, but seriously it would be interesting to see polls, in particular if any is done on Obama volonteers.

As you know, I think the Obama campaign did a great job promoting Hope&Change in such a way as to get people to project their own dreams upon the campaign. Not so great job dealing with the inevitable disappointment though.

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by A swedish kind of death on Tue May 8th, 2012 at 02:38:52 PM EST
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There was a more "left" candidate - Dennis Kucinich. He never broke 10% (despite my vote). The vast majority of Democratic voters picked a "moderate".  So why one would expect such a selection to result in a left wing government puzzles me. It seems often to be a kind of assumption about one's own privilege.

The other weird thing about the disappointeds is that most of them are highly engaged, at least emotionally, in the political process, but they don't seem to understand the basics of how either the formal or informal power structure works. The US system give legislative power to Congress and Congress is elected via open primary and then general election - locally by state or district. Thus, Congress is not at all beholden to the President. There is no party list. For example, Mary Landrieu is a powerful senator from Louisiana who knows that Obama received 40% of the vote from her state - to be re-elected she must appeal to a conservative electorate (and to local powers in the oil industry). So a President has some leverage, but not the ability to force votes - especially a Democrat who does not have organized business groups to assist. In recent US history, neither Jimmy Carter nor Bill Clinton were too successful getting liberal legislation through the Congress. So that's the formal problem. Of course the informal problem is that no US president can simply defy the actual power elite- the corporates, the imperial military, the permanent government - he or she must try to form alliances, to split opponents etc.  What I have found most odd about the "disappointeds" is that many of them claim to be on the left, but have absolutely credulous theories about how the imperial system works - e.g. "the President is the commander in chief, he can just order the military to do so and so".

by rootless2 on Tue May 8th, 2012 at 03:03:44 PM EST
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just for myself, when Bush's helicopter left DC, it was enough for me to call the Obama administration a success.
by rootless2 on Tue May 8th, 2012 at 03:15:57 PM EST
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