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As a considerate smoker sensitive to those who are threatened by 2nd hand smoke, and who doesn't throw butts, i know i'm in a small minority.

But even in Germany, most public places are smoke free, though there are a fair number of bars which allow smoking. In most places, you must smoke outside, or in a separate room.

There's a deeper problem of course. Here in Germany, teenagers love to smash bier bottles on the very paths on which they ride their bikes.

the disconnect from one's complete environment is astounding, whether speaking of coal mining and fracking, or littering. at least Germans pick up after their dogs.

Can you really smoke at a concert in France?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sat Jun 2nd, 2012 at 06:47:24 AM EST
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Here in Germany, teenagers love to smash bier bottles on the very paths on which they ride their bikes.

Bottle-smashing (as part of hanging around street corners and getting drunk while talking) is a new teenager trend all across the 'West', and I got angry at it when I had to pull a centimetre-long piece from the foot of my late dog (and that after trying to steer her clear of the 'worst-hit zones' of the pavement).

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Jun 2nd, 2012 at 07:01:54 AM EST
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Hanging around in public places and getting drunk is what the Spanish botellón ("whopping bottle") is about, but not the bottle-smashing. Anti-botellon ordinances are usually justified on noise grounds.

It is popular with teenagers mostly because drinking at bars or clubs is several times more expensive than buying the drinks at a supermarket. There is also the getting around age restrictions at pubs and clubs, but the practice is not restricted to the younger teenagers because places that sell alcohol are actually pretty good about carding people to ensure they don't sell alcohol under-age.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 2nd, 2012 at 07:10:41 AM EST
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Maybe bottle-smashing is just not universal?

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Residents in nearby apartment blocks complain of screams and loud music from "disco-cars;" vandalism; trash from broken glass, plastic cups and bags; and urine in the streets and on their doorsteps.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Jun 2nd, 2012 at 07:21:33 AM EST
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To clarify, i didn't mean that smashing bottles is a problem worse than smoking. i meant that all problems which represent a disconnect from the environment are a problem, equating not caring about those around you affected by smoke is like not caring about smashing bottles.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sat Jun 2nd, 2012 at 07:56:37 AM EST
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Smashing pumpkins is better.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 2nd, 2012 at 07:58:25 AM EST
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