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Sir, - I refer to the article regarding Irish Rail's decision to scrap 90 carriages for want of a foreign buyer (Home News, August 6th). These (Mark 3) carriages, not that old, and low mileage by rail standards, are the most recent and most advanced versions of a type still widely used across Britain. They are still thought to have the best ride of all such current carriage designs.

This year Chiltern Railways, one of UK's most successful franchisees, has recently completely refurbished a whole fleet of these vehicles for long future service on its new flagship "Mainline" London Birmingham route.

However, in Ireland, the carriages ordered as replacements and now deployed on the Dublin Cork route have turned out to be very unsatisfactory. They have been dubbed "vomit comets" in the print media. How can Irish Rail, The Rail Procurement Agency and the Government have ever justified the replacement and scrapping of very successful, comfortable and refurbish-able stock, especially given that the replacements have been expensive, troublesome and still not completely fit for purpose? The lack of a foreign buyer for the 90 condemned carriages is, to my mind, something of a red herring, as Ireland has a unique rail gauge (distance between the rail lines). More plausible is the possibility that, as Ireland is under pressure quickly to put in place EU directives allowing competition in domestic passenger rail services, Irish Rail is adopting a "scorched earth" policy to rid the island of any rolling stock that might be available to other operators. The absence of any stock and the unique rail gauge of Ireland would make new-build an expensive and therefore prohibitive threshold for any aspiring competitor.

Irish Rail's scrappage decision, sneaked out on a bank holiday, should be put on hold until the Government, the Transport Committee, the Minister and the NTA can throw further light on the matter. - Yours, etc,

MICK O'GORMAN,



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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Aug 19th, 2012 at 08:34:14 PM EST
First on Mr. O'Gorman's hypothetised and the probable actual, immediate reason for the scrapping. There are precedents for the scrapping of vehicles instead of selling them to competitors, but even in those cases, I say why would any company have to benefit its competitors? In this case however, the letter writer speculates about a future rail company, whereas IR would have to store these 90 vehicles (occupying over two kilometres of track) until the potential buyer appears, which is not zero cost. What's more, if vehicles are to be stored for a substantial time before re-use, some weather protection would be needed or else the upgrade would become very costy to impossible.

Reading up on the vehicles, I find the "vomit comets" are the Mark 4 coaches made by CAF. Here is an article on their bad ride quality. The interesting part is that the cars were fine when they were new. The article seems to hypothetise that the cars are unsuited for Ireland's bad tracks, but IMHO that can only be part of the story: the Hungarian Railways have CAF coaches and bad tracks too, but the CAF cars have a good ride quality. There can be several reasons for bad ride quality in service, all of which can be dealt with if the vehicles are investigated properly: the initial wheel profile, the service pattern (say if cars always run along a curvy section in the same alignment, that is without being turned 180°), the adjustment of springs and dampers between the wheels and bogies as well as the bogies and the carbodies, the wear of the same elements. So if the instable run of Mark 4 coaches persists, I take IR has not investigated the problem properly.

On what replaces what, Mr. O'Gorman left out some steps: the Mark 4 coaches replaced the Mark 3 coaches on the Dublin–Cork route years ago, after which they themselves replaced older Mark 2 coaches on other routes. What happened now that on these other routes, they were replaced by new Class 22000 DMUs.

Now, what would Mr. O'Gorman prefer? It's not entirely clear from the letter whether he'd want IR to refurbish the Mark 3 coaches for itself and scrap Mark 4 coaches, or if he wants a private compatitor to refurbish them and eliminate IR in competition on the Dublin–Cork route (a route also ending in the scrapping of Mark 4 coaches). What I wonder about is whether dealing with the running gear problem of the Mark 4 would be cheaper than the refurbishment of the Mark 3.

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by DoDo on Mon Aug 20th, 2012 at 04:29:56 AM EST
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I found an interesting discussion on the pros and cons (mostly the latter) of Mark 3 refurbishment. The focus is on the the comparison with the DMUs replacing them, but they also deal with the Chiltern refurbishment.

*Lunatic*, n.
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by DoDo on Mon Aug 20th, 2012 at 04:45:03 AM EST
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Many thanks for this. As you know Irish Rail is a state owned company and the subtext of the letter appears to be that Irish Rail are "wasting a lot of taxpayers money" by scrapping perfectly viable or refurbishable vehicles just to avoid the prospect of possible future competition. Scandalous!

The reality is that the Irish rail market is tiny and loss making and I can't see any commercial competitor being interested in entering the market whatever the regulators might say/want.  So the bigger issue appears to be whether Irish Rail made some very bad purchasing decisions in the past which they may now be about to exacerbate by making a bad scrappage decision. It is (in my view) v. unlikely a buyer will ever emerge, and so it is a case of deciding what is the best use of resources for Irish rail.

With very little capital available for new investment, it is important that management are accountable for whatever decisions they made in the past and are making now. The general public (myself included) has very little awareness of these issues so it's no harm to have them aired in public now. Irish rail services are v. underdeveloped and we need to make the best of what resources we have, and it is unclear to me whether or not Irish Rail have a good "track record" in this regard.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Aug 20th, 2012 at 05:36:35 AM EST
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