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To quote Orwell, "He who controls the past, controls the future, and he who controls the present, controls the past."

And archeology is often political. I would say more so then history, mostly because of the greater degree of interpretation needed when dealing with remains instead of written sources. This is obvious in contested areas - can the Bibles version of ancient Israel be proven, is Lucy an ur-Ethiopian or an ur-Eritrean? But even in more boring circumstances politics affects the large degree of interpretation - the center of ancient Sweden is a recurring point of debate.

So color me unsurprised that the new and struggling Bosnian state is willing to pour resources into proving a grand past.

My path of interpretation is that if you can not find artifacts that with a pretty high degree of certainty is human-made, you get more right then wrong by treating what you find as works of nature.

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Aug 27th, 2012 at 02:23:36 PM EST
and the bigger the site, the larger the ammount of Human detritus, (shell and bone middens, graveyards/burial mounds, local deforestation, towns/cities for workers) you have to have found in the area for it to be built. and it's the cultral artifacts that are the important things. Find a big mound of rocks or a mound, and ask an archaeologist what it's for and they'll say "Ritual purposes" that's the archaeological version of "We don't know, but someone has given us a bundle of cash so we're not going to admit it"

as a rough rule of thumb, If the number of papers about the culture that has built the monuments, the stratigraphy of the living spaces, the pollen and bones and shells in the middens and so forth doesn't severely outweigh the papers on the pyramids/hills  in the site then you know that they aren't real archaeologists

The statement that other cultural details are being lost tends to make me think they're a) avoiding doing any actual real archaeology and b) actual archaeologists are calling them out on it in the academic press in the language of the science.

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by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Aug 27th, 2012 at 09:54:46 PM EST
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I continue to be fascinated by conspiracy theorists and conspiracy thinking.

One thing that may not be obvious is its unexpected predictability. Not only is it very drama prone, but the focus of interest and the imagery changes very slowly.

Conspiracy theorists don't think like normal people. They free associate with very poor discrimination.

So one of the fundamental leaps of 'logic' is that if one thing looks like another thing the two things must be related and may even be identical.

So if a big hill looks like a pyramid it must be a pyramid and it was probably hewn out of the solid earth by magicians from Atlantis and is currently sending energy beams out into the universe.

(You probably think I made up that last bit. Actually I didn't.)

The other motivator is resentment against clever people. If you're untrained but excitable it's infinitely satisfying to be in the know about huge secrets which Real Scientists™ are too blinkered and stupid to understand, etc.

So I don't expect much real archaeology or physics is going on.

But there will be plenty of narrative logic, and not a little heroic self-importance.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 07:07:53 AM EST
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As conspiracy theories go, this is rather feeble. How about this one?
The Monuments of the Cydonia region of Mars are perhaps the most fascinating ruins ever yet discovered by man - on any planet. On the shores of an ancient Martian ocean, now completely dry, Man's first probes to our nearest planetary neighbor have detected a group of mounds, surrounding the Face, that even at first glance appear unnatural and complex in design. Further investigation of the mounds shows that they were in fact arranged in a definite complex geometric pattern - one that could not possibly have occurred naturally, and apparently required much thought and labor to create, by architects who knew more about mathematics than we have the even optimistic ability to half way decode today. Predominant throughout the area, the angles implied by arrangement of structures within the City are of a relation to each other which suggests alignment to astronomical phenomena within this solar system - and beyond.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 07:17:29 AM EST
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Is that the best you can do?

Wikip: "Conspiracy (civil), an agreement between persons to deceive, mislead, or defraud others of their legal rights, or to gain an unfair advantage."

Anything come to mind? ;-p

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 07:40:24 AM EST
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So I don't expect much real archaeology or physics is going on.

But there will be plenty of narrative logic, and not a little heroic self-importance.

And carving of the existing mounds into Ziggurats...

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 07:21:13 AM EST
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You get similar problems in Germany, the majority of stone circles there are built during the 1930's to help prove someones wacky racial and historical theories.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 07:41:02 AM EST
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Are there stone circles in Germany? Where?

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by DoDo on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 08:40:30 AM EST
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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 28th, 2012 at 08:51:54 AM EST
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