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Only that nobody has defended blasphemy laws here...
No matter for you, you can't be bothered to distinguish blasphemy laws, laws to protect the exercise of religion, or libel laws. All you are interested in is your missionary zeal as a secular.
The thing is: When they sue according to the real libel law, they almost invariably lose.
I never complained about laws protecting public gatherings and free association for any purpose, including the exercise of religion. What I complain about is religions demanding extra-special privileges which are not extended to trade unions, tennis players and collectors of horse porn.
- Jake Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.
Only that nobody has defended blasphemy laws here... vbo is.
vbo is.
??? If you call me mentioning how I feel offended by few porno stars (calling themselves artists ???) naming my religious feelings "God's shit", than yes. Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
??? If you call me mentioning how I feel offended by few porno stars (calling themselves artists ???) naming my religious feelings "God's shit", than yes.
I object to your offensive, narcissistic obsession that offending you must be made a criminal act.
Your words (bold mine):
Putting the whole shit on YouTube is another story but not less offensive...to ridicule believes of so many millions of people pointing what they ( those few so called artist, huh, fucking their political position in the museum before) happen to think about " God's shit" is definitely criminal act.
If it is just me it would not be necessary. But we are talking about quite a few millions of people...
And let me tell what I object about your view and your so called "progressive" group of people who are minority in practically all societies. I object your offensive, narcissistic obsession with telling everyone what to think and feel and trying to define for everyone what moral, intelligence etc. is in your narrow view. People are different and in this time in many places free to think and feel what they want (or it seems to be the case to degree). So live with it. As they say "live and let others live". You as atheists are protected enough and just live with a fact that others can have protection too, not necessarily sharing your view.Respect and tolerance...that's what we need. I wouldn't like PR for simple case of bad taste anyway so even if they had good message to share they would be irrelevant in my eyes. Putin made a mistake of making them martyrs.I can't see how they can make any advance for your ideology...unless it is because you like porn... Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
So let's have an auto da fe in a public square, then. Or a lynching. If you are not convinced, try it on someone who has not been entirely debauched by economics. — Piero Sraffa
And let me tell what I object about your view and your so called "progressive" group of people who are minority in practically all societies. I object your offensive, narcissistic obsession with telling everyone what to think and feel
I'm telling you that mere feelings are not valid arguments for prosecuting people.
People are different and in this time in many places free to think and feel what they want (or it seems to be the case to degree). So live with it.
I object to you wanting to use the courts to force me to agree with you.
As they say "live and let others live".
Seems like the Russian courts did not get that memo.
You as atheists are protected enough
I guess that "separate but equal" is OK in your mind.
and just live with a fact that others can have protection too,
Respect and tolerance...that's what we need.
Respect, as I've said before, is something you earn. And the Russian Orthodox Church hasn't earned any.
I can't see how they can make any advance for your ideology...unless it is because you like porn...
Liking porn has nothing to do with it (not that there is anything wrong with liking porn, though I don't think I'd share Pussy Riot's tastes in that genre).
Any nonviolent action
PR violated Church's property and rules for their goals so how is this not violent. Do they need to kill someone?
Oh I am getting tired and I start to sound to my self as an echo. It is enough for now unless we have something new to say on this...Obviously there is no way for us to come to any conclusion here. Not even that we "agree on disagreeing"... Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
There is nothing wrong in you/or PR hating Russian Orthodox Church.And you can attack it at wish using lawful tactics.
Don't give me vague generalities about intent and insincerity. Concrete, actionable actions only.
Oh, and you never did give a clear and unambiguous answer to the question of whether it should be criminal to upload a YouTube video with a song you don't like set to background footage of a church. Should it?
PR violated Church's property and rules for their goals so how is this not violent.
Do they need to kill someone?
Disrespecting the subsidized property privileges of the church... not so much.
Not even that we "agree on disagreeing"...
I have never complained about religious people suing according to the ordinary libel laws that are open to everyone
Yes, you have. The complaint, possibly charge, but not conviction in the Kissing Pope Photo Affair which you cited excessively and falsely for the power of the Vatican suppressing political speech.
At least that's what the Vatican claimed they were suing over. Again, I don't read Italian, so I don't know whether the Vatican was lying in its press release (admittedly a strong possibility - the Vatican does tend to lie like a rug).
The Vatican statement said the ad was "damaging to not only to dignity of the pope and the Catholic Church but also to the feelings of believers"
So, if you have information what the actual complaint was about (if any), how about sharing it?
I disagree.
Additionally the Vatican claimed that Catholics were offended by a connection of their pope and the notion of sex, especially gay sex. They had to find the hard way that after the child abuse scandal this is no longer true. This will doubtless influence their decisions when to lodge complaints in future.
The Thirty Years War also made the Papacy less trigger-happy with prosecuting heresy. That doesn't make the existence of statutes against heresy not-a-problem.
Either they are not invoked, and can therefore be excised without loss of generality. Or they are invoked, and must therefore be excised to protect the human rights of heretics and blasphemers.
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