Religion, Atheism, Moral, Politic, PR and all that mess | 533 comments (533 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Tribal identities and choice (none / 1)

I think that the less choice you are perceived (by society at large) to have over a building bloc of your identity, the less of a fair target it is. I think this is part of what Katrin and vbo is trying to get across. (When it comes to law, I don't think choseness should be grounds for a distinction, I would rather see one based on power and the level of threat posed.

This.

Roll your eyes at Pussy Riot for being in bad taste. But no sane and sober observer can claim that the balance of power between Pussy Riot and the Russian Orthodox Church needs legal redress in favor of the latter.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2012 at 02:01:48 PM EST
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Re: Tribal identities and choice (none / 1)

The reason I put the legal bit in paranthesis is that I think you are all discussing different things.

I think Katrin and vbo primarily is discussing religious sentiments, while you are primarily discussing policy.

This is kind of how I read the last days discussion:

n=1
print "vbo: new diary, religious sentiment"
While (n<500)
{
n++
Jake: religious sentiment? law!
Katrin: law? religious sentiment!
If(n is evenly divided by twenty)
TBG: Hierarchial organisation!
If(n is evenly divided by thirty)
Migeru: PN
}

(In an attempt to divert the discussion this is intentionally inconsequent coding. Also: attempt at humor. May backfire if temperaments are still heated, hence disclaimer.)

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Sep 3rd, 2012 at 01:27:41 PM EST
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Re: Tribal identities and choice (none / 0)

The problem is that Katrin and vbo repeatedly insist that their particular religious sentiments must be protected by the force of law.

That makes it a discussion about policy, not whether their sentiments are justified as sentiments (a much lower standard).

I personally reserve judgment on the merits of their outrage because I have not seen the performance, and am not particularly interested in the performance. I just note that outrage, no matter how sincere, is not a valid basis for policymaking.

Bluntly put, legislating based on momentary outrage gives you shit laws. Religious outrage might make those laws God's shit, but they'll still be shit.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2012 at 07:13:42 PM EST
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