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But in that case, Pussy Riot's lyrics can't form any part of the basis for condemning them, because the lyrics only appeared in a YouTube video which people could simply not-watch if they did not like it.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Sep 4th, 2012 at 04:39:57 PM EST
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They have argued that this, in its entirety, is their performance. Don't you find it a bit disingenuous to split it into its components now, just because this may lead to a lower punishment? Isn't being punished part of the performance too? Would they have liked it at all, if there hadn't been a reaction and a prosecution?

Now compare that with the movie, which was made for a movie-audience. Really.

by Katrin on Tue Sep 4th, 2012 at 04:45:20 PM EST
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Uh yeah, I'll argue that it's not reasonable to condemn them for doing something in church that they did not, in fact, do in church. If I take a film of the mayor entering the city hall and then splice it with a film of the burning of a scale replica of the city hall, I don't get charged with arson or attempted murder.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Sep 4th, 2012 at 04:55:40 PM EST
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I suspect if I now point again at what they did in church: writhe in front of the altar and try to evade the people who expelled them, you will fall into your old bad habit of saying a church was a public place.
by Katrin on Tue Sep 4th, 2012 at 05:04:06 PM EST
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Well, it should be.

But I'd also point out that if writhing in front of the altar is a crime, then anybody who falls into a religious trance and starts speaking in tongues would also be a criminal. And while running from the custodians is not precisely legally protected, nor is it an outrageous violation of the space.

That's the problem with outlawing things based on them being in poor taste: It leads to fuzzy laws which are only selectively enforced. Mob rule, in other words.

And the mob does not like gays, atheists or social democrats.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Sep 4th, 2012 at 05:17:05 PM EST
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