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Berlin tables new circumcision law proposal | Germany | DW.DE | 27.09.2012

s circumcising an infant or boy a form of physical assault? A German court ruling unleashed a heated debate on this question a few months ago, and now a new law is expected to provide clarity.

The German government wants to enshrine the circumcision of Jewish and Muslim boys in law. To this end, Justice Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger presented the cornerstones of her new proposal to the state governments and relevant associations on Tuesday (25.09.2012).

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 04:13:42 PM EST
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  • At birth, the foreskin is fused to the glans in the same way as finger nails to fingers.

  • Anaestetics in infants is dodgy at best.

  • Middle-eastern traditions are acceptable, African traditions are not.

  • Practices of sufficiently powerful minorities are good, practices of other minorities are bad.

  • A pin-prick to the clitoris is mutilation, removing half the nerve endings in the penis is a beautiful religious ritual.

  • As values go, 'Care/harm' will lose to 'Loyalty/betrayal', 'Authority/subversion' and 'Sanctity/degradation'.

"I don't want to live on this planet anymore."
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sapere aude

by Number 6 on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 06:06:43 AM EST
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or two?

regarding statements "pin-prick to the clitoris" (i.e., where is this considered a crime of genital mutilation on the statutes somewhere?) and "half the nerve endings in the penis".

Probably the statement "anaestetics in infants is dodgy at best" can be challenged as well.

Reputable citations are therefore requested, as I don't think either of these statements are true.

Further, circumcision is not, strictly speaking, only a middle eastern tradition, as the practise is widespread in many western countries, and for reasons other than to follow a middle eastern tradition.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 07:40:21 AM EST
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The words "reputable" and "strictly speaking" make me think this is going to be like debating a creationist ...

Nerves:
15 square inches.
over all view on operation

Anaesthesia:
No, I think you're right. Too much conflicting information.

Law:
New Zealand
UK.
EU resolution - "any form of female genital mutilation, of whatever degree"
US federal law - doesn't appear to prohibit things that don't actually remove tissue. Good news, huh!
Various US state laws

Ooh, the mother lode  - eh, lots of dead links.

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sapere aude

by Number 6 on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 09:10:52 AM EST
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Thanks for the citations. I think there are likely others on the other side of the foreskin issue, so the "reputable" comment is well taken.

Still don't see anything though which refers to a pin prick as being genital mutilation, if so I would expect all these nations to outlaw the practise of genital piercing.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 11:02:41 AM EST
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