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Islamists who pose a threat 'have no place in France' - FRANCE - FRANCE 24

France's Socialist government vowed Thursday to do more to integrate the country's Muslims but warned that it would not tolerate the country becoming a hotbed of Islamic radicalism.

In a speech marking the inauguration of the Strasbourg Grand Mosque, the biggest Islamic place of worship ever built on French soil, Interior Minister Manuel Valls pledged to come down hard on extremists, warning that foreign activists trying to stir up trouble would be immediately deported.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 04:29:25 PM EST
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What about Christians who pose a threat? Jews? Atheists?
by asdf on Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 05:24:21 PM EST
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By definition Muslims pose a threat. Period.
by Katrin on Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 05:27:57 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Europe | French court bans Christ advert
France's Catholic Church has won a court injunction to ban a clothing advertisement based on Leonardo da Vinci's Christ's Last Supper.

The display was ruled "a gratuitous and aggressive act of intrusion on people's innermost beliefs", by a judge.

by Katrin on Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 05:32:26 PM EST
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What ? That christ didn't own his own clothes ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 03:10:39 AM EST
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BBC NEWS | Europe | French court bans Christ advert
"When you trivialise the founding acts of a religion, when you touch on sacred things, you create an unbearable moral violence which is a danger to our children," said lawyer Thierry Massis.

From limb to limb of that sentence, there is an escalation towards the absurd that probably only lawyers in full spate know how to produce.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 09:14:04 AM EST
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So does laïcité make this sort of verdict more or less likely?

I would have thought the legal system was part of the "state".


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sapere aude

by Number 6 on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 09:30:22 AM EST
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I suspect this is a rather personal verdict from the judge, that is not likely to be later confirmed.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 09:35:43 AM EST
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Accursed activist judges and their war on advertising!


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by Number 6 on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 09:42:17 AM EST
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The original trial dates from 2005.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 10:00:48 AM EST
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Yeah, I remember that.

I also remember that the judgement was struck down :

La Cène (Girbaud) - Wikipédia

Le 14 novembre 2006, la Cour de cassation a annulé l'arrêt de la cour d'appel de Paris du 8 avril 2005 et, statuant sur le fond du litige, a débouté l'association Croyances et libertés[1].

It seems to me that the original judge was swayed either by his personal beliefs, or those that he saw as dominant in society. That's completely out of order.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 09:29:24 AM EST
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Video: Muslim women arrested in Paris for wearing (perfectly legal) headscarves | The Electronic Intifada

A video first published by Le Parisien and shot on Saturday shows French police arresting women in the Place du Trocadéro in Paris apparently just for wearing headscarves.

Le Parisien explained that France's Interior Minister had ordered a prohibition on any demonstrations amid tight security restrictions on French diplomatic missions abroad as the French magazine Charlie Hebdo published caricatures of the prophet Muhammad.

by Katrin on Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 05:36:17 PM EST
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does the vatican still require women to wear hats or headscarves when they enter it ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 03:11:41 AM EST
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They require you to not wear t-shirt and shorts. Or at least they did a decade ago when I last checked. (No, nobody in our group tried taking off their t-shirt and shorts and rules lawyer about it - the gorillas looked like their sense of humor had been surgically removed.)

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 03:22:54 AM EST
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You don't have to go back very far in time in the West to find examples where women were expected to wear hats, gloves, long sleeves, etc. in formal situations. It's amusing that some people think they can instantly drag the MIddle East (or anywhere else) out of, say, 1300 AD into taking a 2012 urban Western moral viewpoint--when much of rural America and, I presume, Europe, has views closer to 1300 than 2012.
by asdf on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 12:57:51 PM EST
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