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`No French investigation' into runaway British schoolgirl - UK-FRANCE - FRANCE 24

The French authorities are not investigating the disappearance of a 15-year-old British schoolgirl who ran away with her maths teacher last week because she is over the legal age of consent in France.

Megan Stammers, from Sussex in southeast England, and her teacher Jeremy Forrest, 30, were caught on CCTV on the cross-channel ferry from Dover to Calais in northern France last Thursday.

And while a major investigation is under way in the UK, Sussex police confirmed that Stammers' disappearance was not being treated the same way in France because the couple have not broken any French laws.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 04:32:57 PM EST
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What ? Sex with a 15 yr old is legal in france ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 03:12:22 AM EST
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Yes, apparently so. Well, I've always thought consent laws should have an age differential component. A 15 and 16 year old is cool, but a 15 and a 30 year old is definitely not

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 03:14:45 AM EST
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In Denmark, there is no age differential, but there is a clause about asymmetric power relationships, under which the age of consent goes up (from 15 to 18).

So it would be illegal in Denmark because he's her teacher, not because he's twice her age.

(In practice, there's also an informal age differential rule, in that nobody is ever going to actually prosecute a 14/16 relationship, but a 14/20 one might be and a 14/30 one definitely would be.)

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 03:18:39 AM EST
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It's not much different here. Rightly so, because 15 year olds don't need to be protected from sex with adults, but they need to be protected from exploitative relationships.
by Katrin on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 04:00:11 AM EST
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That seems a lot more sensible than a simple birthday-based cutoff.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 07:19:12 AM EST
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15 is the age of consent to sexual relations in France, no matter what the age of the partner.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 04:03:16 AM EST
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That is sort of how it works here. But the rules are so complicated that nobody really worries about it. Besides, what are you supposed to do, validate government-issued ID paperwork before going on a date?
by asdf on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 01:00:52 PM EST
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by asdf on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 01:03:13 PM EST
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Is it weird that I think this table looks like something out of a 1980's role-playing game?

sapere aude
by Number 6 on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 03:39:29 PM EST
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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 11:00:02 PM EST
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Consexual sex rules

Make an opposed age roll: each player rolls 5d20. Then look on the encounter table to see how many Cops materialise. NC means 'no cops'. 1M means one municipal cop. 4F means four federal cops. Look in the critters appendix for cop stats.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 11:07:03 PM EST
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L'enseignant et l'adolescente britanniques en fuite ont été retrouvés à Bordeaux Runaway British teacher and teenager found in Bordeaux
L'affaire qui passionne la presse britannique (The Sun, The Guardian ou encore The Mirror, qui a ouvert un suivi en direct) depuis une semaine vient de trouver son épilogue. Les amours interdites de l'enseignant et de l'adolescente britanniques qui étaient en fuite depuis le 20 septembre ont été interceptées vendredi 28 septembre dans le centre-ville de Bordeaux. Le professeur, âgé de 30 ans, a aussitôt été placé en garde à vue.
The case the British press has been full of for a week (The Sun, The Guardian or The Mirror, which is live monitoring) has reached its end. The forbidden love of the British teacher and teenager who had been on the run since September 20 was intercepted Friday, September 28 in the city centre of Bordeaux. The teacher, aged 30, was immediately taken into custody.
"On a retrouvé le couple sur la voie publique dans le centre de Bordeaux", a indiqué la police judiciaire, ajoutant que Megan, la mineure de 15 ans qui avait fugué avec son professeur, était "en bonne santé". Jeremy Forrest, marié, 30 ans, enseignant de mathématiques, contre lequel un mandat d'arrêt européen avait été émis, a été placé en garde à vue dans les locaux du commissariat de Bordeaux. "We found the couple on the street in the center of Bordeaux" , said the police, adding that Megan, the minor of 15 years who had run away with her teacher was "in good health" . Jeremy Forrest, married, 30, a mathematics teacher, had a European arrest warrant taken out against him. He was placed in custody in the main police station in Bordeaux.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 10:19:21 AM EST
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In view of the above, it's clear the French police was tracking them, not in conformity with French law on sexual relations, but a European arrest warrant.

Which makes FRANCE 24 look like a British outlet whining about the French police yet again.

FRANCE 24 is such rubbish.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 10:23:03 AM EST
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The article notes this :
Le parquet a souligné que la justice française n'était pas chargée du fond de l'affaire, mais seulement de l'exécution du mandat d'arrêt européen émis par les autorités britanniques à l'encontre de M. Forrest. Ce mandat devrait être examiné dans les vingt-quatre heures par le parquet général de Bordeaux. La police du Sussex (sud de l'Angleterre) a de son côté indiqué dans un communiqué que M. Forrest était suspecté d'enlèvement d'enfant.

The French police merely executed the European arrest warrant, which is apparently for child kidnapping. Which seems preposterous on its face.

The article also notes that there is a law on the books in France against sex with a minor over 15 involving abuse of authority, which would seem to apply to this case.

Don't stand... don't stand so... don't stand so close to me, etc

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by eurogreen on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 10:47:36 AM EST
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