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BBC News - Ed Miliband: Let churches stage same-sex weddings

Plans to allow same sex marriages in England and Wales should be extended to religious institutions, Labour leader Ed Miliband has said.

He said faith groups who "want to provide that opportunity for gay couples... should be able to do so".

Ministers are consulting on allowing civil marriages for same-sex couples.

Leading Churches oppose calling gay partnership ceremonies marriages, saying they could undermine the status of marriage.

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 03:26:42 PM EST
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soon we'll have gay vicar couples in the vicarage. ;)

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by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 06:30:13 PM EST
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Much tho' I support that, I think it might be better to get gay marriage on the statute books first, and that might entail leaving religionist institutions out. You can come back to that later once it has been shown that the sky hasn't fallen in.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 03:08:35 AM EST
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I don't see why political institutions should interfere with religious rites in any case.

Ah now I remember. In the UK, various varieties of shaman (shamen? shapersons?) can register as marriage celebrant, blurring the line between the institution of marriage as a civil contract and whatever the particular sect or tribe claims marriage to be.

It would be simpler to cut that link, i.e. people who want to get married according to the law go to the registry office, and people who want to celebrate some mystical rite can do that, and it's nobody's business if the two groups happen to overlap.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 04:32:01 AM EST
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Hear, hear.

(Is there same-sex handfasting?)

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by Number 6 on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 05:33:10 AM EST
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Actually, it would be simpler to put the link fully back into place. Despite the enthusiasm of the Enlightenment crowd, religion and politics are irretrievably enmeshed with each others in any human society. The cleanest way to run your system is to have an official state religion, and if some troublemakers don't want to participate in it, you can either transport them to Australia or cut off their heads.

You will have a civil war once in a while to contend with, but that may be easier to deal with over the long run...

by asdf on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 12:35:24 PM EST
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I think you left off the "a modest proposal" at the start there.


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by Number 6 on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 03:34:31 PM EST
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Here's a diary topic for you. What is ideology? On state religions, totalitarian regimes, and the Enlightenment utopia.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 28th, 2012 at 10:59:36 PM EST
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