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I was trying to be fairly balanced in presenting the arguments.  My interest was sparked because I know local campaigners who are very passionate about protecting porpoises.  I posted a diary here because I know there are people who are very passionate about promoting wind technology who can present that side far more effectively than I can.

Locally, the plans for the Atlantic Array were significantly scaled back following public consultation. That doesn't say riding roughshod to me.

My skepticism is actually towards the decision makers.  There is a sense of wanting to rush forward on approving proposals (renewables targets, job creation) before firmly establishing the evidence base or ascertaining where protected zones are necessary to protect marine life.

Some people say wind farms are great big scam but every direction you look in there are vested interests and misinformation - so for the lay person, deciding whether or not to support wind power, it isn't easy to navigate.

If anyone does have links to reports on the benefits of mitigation, I'd be interested in passing those on.

I also live alongside a massive opencast which although no longer operational still causes health issues, leaves cars and houses filthy and will sooner or later cause a death since the site owners are still trying to secure extensions to continue mining and won't restore or properly secure the site in the meantime.  

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 7th, 2012 at 08:45:49 AM EST
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That's how the anti-wind crowd works - throw enough mud into the fan that people start having doubts just because they've heard all that "anti" noise.

Your open cast exemple is actually a good one - please consider an offshore wind farm and think about how it could damage the environment for you, or for more nearby stakeholders (fishermen, wildlife). Does it continually spew garbage into the sea? Does it generate massive volume of refuse? Is it very hard to uninstall?

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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 7th, 2012 at 09:20:08 AM EST
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There's a discussion here from a few weeks ago about onshore rather than offshore, but there are similarities in the way anti-wind has turned the tables on what used to be seen as good for the environment.

If you're running a PR campaign against something that has an excellent public image, it's no use fiddling about at the fringes. You identify the strong points and you turn them upside down.

Wind power is environmentally positive (little or no CO2 or other pollution)?
You say: wind power harms the environment (birds, bats, marine mammals, emits noise pollution, causes human health problems)

Wind power uses a free source of energy?
You say: it is diabolically expensive and fills the pockets of rich criminals

Windmills look clean, elegant, reassuring?
You say: windmills are a hideous encroachment on the landscape the sight of which causes anxiety.

Use the usual mix of think tanks, MSM compliance, political accomplices, campaigning associations, astro-turfers, and little by little you will create a "debate" or sow doubt in people's minds. Including the environmentalists who might once have been in favour of wind power.

Now, I'm not arguing that there is absolutely zero merit in these ideas, or that environmental impacts don't need to be assessed and dealt with (of course they must be). But mostly, these ideas do not correspond to reality (to be polite). And, over the last few years, they have gained increasing currency and can be come across pretty much everywhere.

Conspiracy theory? No, just the convergence of powerful vested interests. Exaggeration about criminals? Not even.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Sep 7th, 2012 at 12:07:23 PM EST
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In Wales:
My skepticism is actually towards the decision makers.  There is a sense of wanting to rush forward on approving proposals (renewables targets, job creation) before firmly establishing the evidence base or ascertaining where protected zones are necessary to protect marine life.

In my experience if a project (a road, a building, a city bloc, a powerplant) is needed those in political power wants to build quickly so they get to finish it. Thus they get to set their stamp on it and have it as a monument of their time in power (and depending on political system, gather the larger share of the kickbacks). The opposition does not want to build right now, further studies are needed the alternatives need exploring and so on. If power shifts, so does the roles. Left and right does not appear to matter as much as in power and in opposition.

So in my experience it is perfectly normal for the decision makers to want to rush things. This of course says nothing about wheter further studies are needed in a particular case.

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by A swedish kind of death on Fri Sep 7th, 2012 at 02:53:21 PM EST
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