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Well, I'm sure that a lot of progressives would agree with you - in an ideal world, but we're not in an ideal world. Of course a lot of violence is started by the US, the new imperialists; but there is the possibility of a new Hitler - or do you think we shouldn't have fought the Nazis ? A lot of Brits tried to avoid it, which undoubtedly made it so much more difficult later and a "damned close-run thing" (Wellington on Waterloo), even with the Soviets and the Americans.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2013 at 04:28:43 PM EST
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hmm.  Let me see.  We were on the side of Stalin, the guy who murdered more people than Hitler, right?

That doesn't really make a lot of sense, does it, if you want to argue moral imperatives?

by stevesim on Fri Feb 1st, 2013 at 05:39:20 PM EST
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The UK and US had been doing what they could to destroy the Soviet regime since its birth:

The Allied intervention was a multi-national military expedition launched during the Russian Civil War in 1918. ... After winning the war in Europe, the Allied powers militarily backed the pro-Tsarist, anti-Bolshevik White forces in Russia.

wikipedia

In fact, of course, the Brits went to war with the Nazis in 1939, while Stalin made a pact with Hitler, but then Hitler invaded the SU and Stalin was forced into war.

When you're in a life and death struggle you welcome ANY help you can get and in fact the Soviets were mainly responsible for defeating the Nazis.

Very soon after that the US and UK returned to their previous stance and the Cold War ensued.

The point remains that the Nazis needed to be resisted, by combat and that there remains possibility of a similar situation, hence the need to be prepared for combat. This is not, of course, to justify all combat, nor to endorse the actions of any who become temporary allies in a desperate situation.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2013 at 06:08:26 PM EST
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Hitler was partly funded by the US - specifically by one of George Bush's ancestors. It's unlikely he'd have amounted to much without that handout.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Feb 1st, 2013 at 07:43:08 PM EST
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