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I don't underestimate the power of modern people uprising, especially where least expected. The desire for a sustainable world is strong in many.

Just because the surface is clouded with Schock Doctrine and renewed fascism, doesn't mean there isn't a strong minority of those with vision.

I didn't write that as snark. In fact, i began the post because I wondered  how many starved or went bankrupt or homeless in the hours we got sidetracked on Gold Bugs and Bretton Woods, and I wanted to recall that this is truly an uncivilized horror.

Then it occurred to me that the game isn't over, we haven't lost yet.

who knows what those billion women who danced against rape and gender violence three days ago might attempt next time?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Feb 17th, 2013 at 04:34:43 PM EST
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And in Greece, circumstances might just force a return the resources already present there.

Young people aren't going to stand this shit much longer. Sure, some will be seduced by Golden Dawn, but more have already tasted a more satisfying siren call.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Feb 17th, 2013 at 04:37:34 PM EST
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The misery and death that has already occurred can never be balanced out, especially when we ask "why" and there is no rational answer to be had.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Sun Feb 17th, 2013 at 05:18:54 PM EST
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very true, though i think there is a rational answer:  Shock Doctrine.

But that doesn't mean we should stop trying to ground vision into reality.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sun Feb 17th, 2013 at 05:29:51 PM EST
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"Shock doctrine" doesn't do it for me. Germany and Greece are supposed to be on the same team. And Greece is a tiny little country; too small to be raided.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Sun Feb 17th, 2013 at 05:38:41 PM EST
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supposed to being the operative word.

The European Dream was fine while it lasted.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Feb 17th, 2013 at 05:44:30 PM EST
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But it is part of a larger process.

Profits were increased in Germany durng the 90ies and 00ies by decreasing relative salaries through worse conditions for unemployed, this set both the stage for the persistent current account surplus and the moral play where the Germans (but not the owners) has already tightened their belts and it is time for the Greeks to do the same.

Pillaging Greece and crushing their wages will then create a pool of really cheap workers for the core (see the Amazon stories), which in turn will drive down wages there. Though not having passed yet, it is also obvious that conservative forces wants the EU to allow companies to set contracts according to the law of the land of their HQ, rather then the law of the land where the work is done. So once Greece is sufficiently crushed, companies can place a HQ there and employ cleaners in the core for Greek wages and with Greek laws (dictated by Troika). Then comes another round of cuts in the core to increase competetivness. And anger is diverted at the feckless southerners that are taking the jobs.

Run and run it goes, when it ends nobody knows.

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Feb 18th, 2013 at 03:45:27 AM EST
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Your take on this is frightening.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Mon Feb 18th, 2013 at 03:58:47 AM EST
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And if the euro soon breaks up, what's the good to Germany?

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Mon Feb 18th, 2013 at 04:00:12 AM EST
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If the euro breaks up, the efforts to keep wages down would need to return to Germany. To Germany at large it might be good as the chance for political resistance increases with visible costs, but to the political and economical elite it would be bad in particular as they loose the newly acquired powers of the ECB. So the rational thing for said elite would be to try to avoid a break-up while promoting their policies. Practically this would consist of carrots and sticks being applied in relation to election that could end with a state breaking away. Threathen a world of hurt if the wrong party wins and give support to the right parties in the form of promises, bit of better terms before the elections and if necessary direct funds to the party coffers of the right parties.

There is of course the hope that they are sufficiently blinded by their ideology to act irrational. But when your best hope is that the powers that be are nuts, it is not good.

The world is a frightening place, I just try to make sense of it. Though it grants no control, the effort gives a sense of comfort.

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Feb 18th, 2013 at 04:46:33 AM EST
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seems naive at this point to believe elite german banksters-behaving-badly care a fig for a. the euro (offshore stashes)
b. the people of europe
c. the people of germany

any evidence to support an antithesis?


'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Feb 18th, 2013 at 05:19:42 AM EST
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A breakup of the euro has to hurt Germany since the currencies of the countries in its major market will be devalued against the Deutschmark hurting Germany's exports and increasing its imports; something that Germany has been avoiding.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Mon Feb 18th, 2013 at 05:44:20 AM EST
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yes it will hurt germany's people, but by then their work will be done, and she will be the most pwerful pauper.

see why they aren't allowed nukes?

/snark

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Feb 18th, 2013 at 01:52:48 PM EST
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After two days of having discussed the "why" of what's happening I can't find any answer that satisfies me. My mind is boggling.
Frankly it sounds as if we're in an insane assylum.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Mon Feb 18th, 2013 at 02:18:35 PM EST
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Maybe this will help:

Psychosis:

Psychosis is a loss of contact with reality that usually includes:

    *  False beliefs about what is taking place or who one is (delusions)

    *  Seeing or hearing things that aren't there (hallucinations)

For me a whole bunch of stuff became clear when I stopped assuming rationality and demanded proof.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Mon Feb 18th, 2013 at 03:06:33 PM EST
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There is no such thing as a country too small to be raided.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Feb 18th, 2013 at 05:36:57 PM EST
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