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4 has been going on since 2009, and has so far failed to break the EU.
There's no realistic economic or ethnic fault line along which France can split. Certainly not while Spain maintains territorial integrity.
The China does not have, and cannot in the time frame available for resolution of the present depression develop, the requisite capabilities for pt. 11.
- Jake Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.
3 does not follow from 2. Indeed failure to break the Z is much more likely to cause step 3.
But you can put a deeper recession as a result of EU break-up and trade-war. So add the er and move it down.
JakeS:
But so far it has been one-sided. If you include step 2 you could get a two-sided conflict. Say that Italy and Greece gets governments that fire CB bosses and investigates them and by extension ECB for subverting treaties and conspiring to cause economic harm to the nation (which is high treason in Sweden at least). They also default on debt and blame Germany. Pressure mounts on all countries except Germany to leave the euro and they promptly do.
On the other side you have a German government trying to bloc the effect of the investigations by having the original sinners thrown out of the EU for breaking the EMU treaties. Plus a number of anti-austerity governments that support Italy and Greece while at least Netherlands and Finland backs Germany. The Council grinds to a halt and with it the EU. Member states start withholding their fees and eventually the cities reposses the EU buildings for not paying the water bill. Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se
If you include step 2 you could get a two-sided conflict.
Possession is 9/10ths of the law.
There's no realistic economic or ethnic fault line along which France can split.
The direct losses of 4 countries (Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal) leaving the EZone are estimated at 17 trillion.
This would be the worst economic crisis in modern times and take more than a decade to overcome.
So far the losses haven't been materialized, they are potential.
That is true. However, France is a split country in the sense that socialist supporters including intellectuals, civil servants and the like see themselves as the leader of the South, whereas the business and industry community is much closer to Germany and the North. That is why a split of the EU is going to very much polarize opinion in France.
The direct losses of 4 countries (Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal) leaving the EZone are estimated at 17 trillion. This would be the worst economic crisis in modern times and take more than a decade to overcome.
The problem with such an event is that those owning the debt that is being defaulted won't just accept that their claims have to be written down and they have to lose money. OH NO! They will be demanding to be made whole until every poor person in the EZ has been thrown into a meat grinder and sold as hamburger, regardless of whether that will or will not make them whole.
The situation in the Euro-zone is similar to the real estate melt down in the USA. Much of the debt has been created by fraud, but it has all been mixed together or comingled, so now all is tainted. But the most powerful people, many of whom were responsible for the fraud, are demanding to be made whole and those they are blaming are not capable of making them whole. So what we have is an ugly drama of vindictive spite inflicted mostly on those who had nothing to do with the origin of the problem other than, perhaps, having voted for politicians who colluded with fraud. I guess the assumption is that the citizens are not like investors in a corporation who are only liable to the extent of the value of their stock. "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
It is not the 'losses of 4 countries' that matters so much as the 'losses occasioned by the default and debt repudiation of 4 countries' and what really matters is who would suffer those losses.
Just imagine 2 to 3 trillion Euros leaving the Italian economy in a very short period of time
because Italian savers aren't likely to cherish the idea of loosing 30 to 50% of their savings due to the devaluation
Such a vast drain of money will result in total economic collapse.
And the Italian central bank should permit this for what reason?
Savers have no macroeconomic function.
Money can be printed.
Thus we are so sensible, have schooled ourselves to so close a semblance of prudent financiers, taking careful thought before we add to the "financial" burdens of posterity by building them houses to live in, that we have no such easy escape from the sufferings of unemployment. We have to accept them as an inevitable result of applying to the conduct of the State the maxims which are best calculated to "enrich" an individual by enabling him to pile up claims to enjoyment which he does not intend to exercise at any definite time.
Savings = Investment, eh? I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
The alternative is to stop all cross-border transactions which would also result in a total collapse of the economy.
But the savvy investors will park their ill gotten gains in safe havens long before that will happen.
As always, it is the average Joe that's going to foot the bill.
Savings are necessary to fund industrial production.
Wealth cannot be printed. Printing money destroys wealth.
Most adult Italians have a good idea of how to survive with a currency that is fairly rapidly depreciating.
The 'two to three trillion Euros' is highly unlikely to be even mostly cash.
the ECB isn't going to put a single cent into Italy if the problem is perceived to be due to political instability in Italy
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