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If it gets to the point the Spain falls into another civil war, it's too fucking late for the EU.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 5th, 2013 at 05:02:30 AM EST
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But stopping a war is far more important than saving the EU.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Tue Mar 5th, 2013 at 05:06:11 AM EST
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And when you can find me a great power that will do that - rather than just prop up its Quisling government of choice - I'll be all for the whole "humanitarian intervention" shtick.

But I have yet to see a historical example of such a great power.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Mar 5th, 2013 at 05:16:59 AM EST
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In addition, how is Eurogreen's humanitarian intervention going to overcome the objection of why should a single German soldier risk their lives to prevent feckless southern sinnersdebtors who cannot rule themselves from killing each other?

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 5th, 2013 at 05:55:40 AM EST
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More important to whom?

As Junker said, the Euro will bury us all (well, not exactly).

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Mar 5th, 2013 at 05:52:55 AM EST
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True enough, but........

How would the EU react at the moment of decision?

In the event of another 23-F event how would Brussels respond?

Particularly in light of the common commitment to the Petersburg tasks of the Western European Union which were subsumed into the EU's CSDP via the Lisbon Treaty. It is entirely unclear what constitutes humanitarian intervention, nonetheless the framework for common action exists. But will Brussels act when, or if, the time comes?

Or will the stand down, staring on from the sidelines?

And if instead of the sledgehammer approach of Tejero, a more astute class of military man proposes something on the lines of the 1982 coup attempt?  Predicate the crackdown on a false flag operation to implicate the "enemy." If an Atocha scale event happens in Madrid and the blame is placed on the ERC (Left Wing Catalan nationalists, remember that elements of Terra Lliure integrated into the party in the 1990s) will Brussels act if the military impose martial law in Catalonia, or throughout the country?  

Moreover, if they were smart they would eliminate the PP leadership in an operation of this sort to make independent military action more plausible.  And would the Generalitat stand aside, the Mossos do nothing as the national army moves into the region to occupy?

As much as this is, now, a dark, if distant, possibility, it seems that the sheer possibility that this might come to pass in Spain, or elsewhere, should be grounds for the EU to specify what happens if a member state government falls to military action, or otherwise ceases to be a democracy.  You would think this to be a no brainer, but all you have to do is look to the silence on Hungary with Fidesz to be worried that no action is an acceptable action for Brussels.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Wed Mar 6th, 2013 at 12:11:26 AM EST
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