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I'm not sure the UKIP is bought and payed for, that is, that they are running populist rhetoric to make the working classes vote against their own economic interests, a method which has been very successful for the Republicans in the US.

I think the UKIP might actually believe in their own populism, not use it to support some nefarious 1%-agenda.

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by Starvid on Thu May 9th, 2013 at 06:38:21 AM EST
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They can well believe a populism that contains undertones beneficial to the 1%, and act strongly on those undertones, and be backed by the 1% for that. AFAIK Farage himself has a background in the financial industry, and regarding backers:

Disillusioned Conservative donors are turning to Ukip - Telegraph

Nigel Farage, The Ukip leader, said the party is near to securing serious funding that could help it gain a lead in the European elections.

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Mr Farage said he is targeting people in the City because they are "pretty bloody angry" that the Prime Minister has handed more power to the European Union's regulators.

...and a year later:

Tory donors switching to Ukip, says party treasurer | Politics | The Guardian

In a rare interview, Stuart Wheeler, the gambling tycoon in charge of Ukip's funds, said former Tory backers had promised big donations for next year's European elections. Some had already made smaller donations that would contribute towards the £200,000 to be spent on advertising in local elections over the next few weeks, he said.

...Wheeler, who himself gave more than £5.5m to the Conservatives before being expelled from the party three years ago, said Ukip was taking the local elections seriously while aiming for a bigger push in the 2014 European elections.

"Some of [our new donors] were Conservatives but many are unwilling to go public. Any donation of more than £7,500 has to go on the electoral commission website. Quite a few give us exactly £7,500 because they don't want [their identities] to be known," he said.

"There is one potential donor who said he will give us £1m provided one or two other people do as well for the 2014 elections. The person concerned has been a big Conservative donor. People don't always do what they say they are going to do but we think he will."



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by DoDo on Thu May 9th, 2013 at 07:27:10 AM EST
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Note that the party treasurer has every reson to push a narrative here. Is there any transparency in donations to UK parties?

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu May 9th, 2013 at 07:31:07 AM EST
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But even if he were to make stuff up, Wheeler himself is a substantial backer from the 1%.

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by DoDo on Thu May 9th, 2013 at 07:38:54 AM EST
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Also, even if it's just narrative-pushing, what's noteworthy is that the UKIP narrative is friendly to the 1%.

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by DoDo on Thu May 9th, 2013 at 07:45:10 AM EST
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Yes, it supports your point. It was just his wage formulations that set off my narrative-detector.

And the question for the knowledgeable still stands, even if it is just curiosity: is party donations in the UK disclosed?

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu May 9th, 2013 at 07:50:44 AM EST
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wage formulations

vague?

party donations in the UK disclosed?

In the part I quoted, it says that party donations above Ł7,500 have to be disclosed, those below don't have to.

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by DoDo on Thu May 9th, 2013 at 09:09:37 AM EST
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Yes, vague.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu May 9th, 2013 at 01:16:06 PM EST
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From the UKIP itself (my emphasis):

What We Stand For

A gulf has opened between the ruling elite and the public. Each of the establishment main parties are now Social Democrats and offer voters no real choice.

UKIP alone holds that the rescue of the British people depends on withdrawal from the EU to regain our self-governing democracy so allowing the relief of business from crushing regulation and the less well off from the burden of taxes, shutting off the flood of immigrants and freeing enterprise.

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* Take 4.5 million of low incomes out of tax altogether with a simple, flat rate income tax. With a threshold set at minimum wage.

* Financial services yield £61bn in tax revenues or 12% of the UK total. Exclude the City from EU controls.

Note the packaging of help-the-poorest social populism with policies relieving the rich. As for the budget:

* UK national debt will exceed £1.4 trillion by the end of this Parliament by which time Osborne's cuts will not even equal our EU contributions. Public spending is increasing and the Coalition's cuts do not scratch the surface of Labour's deficit. We must cut down Government if we are to return to a sound economy.

Most of the rest is a stomach-churning mix of lies, half-truths and vileness, too.

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by DoDo on Thu May 9th, 2013 at 09:08:10 AM EST
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All right, they certainly push 1%-policies. I wonder if they do believe in the populism stuff, or if it's just a front? You can say a lot of things abou Farage, but he certainly seems to believe in his own rhetoric.

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by Starvid on Thu May 9th, 2013 at 02:01:19 PM EST
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Oh, I'm generally of the opinion that populists often believe a lot of their own stuff, even if they are serial liars or crooks. There are lots of ways to achieve that: constructing elaborate hypotheses upon dogmas with paranoid logic, being incoherent in thought, believing what's convenient, instant rationalisation of one's own misdemeanours (including lies & spin), believing that the lies or spin they tell only help to highlight a deeper truth, the latter especially if there is an enthusiastic response from lots of followers ("hey, I must have stumbled upon something real!").

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by DoDo on Thu May 9th, 2013 at 02:47:35 PM EST
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If European populists and US populists are anything alike, their movements are a collection of 1) angry mobs holding received, largely inconsistent and even incoherent, quasi-religious beliefs, and 2) operatives sent out to manipulate those mobs.  For example, US astroturf outfits like the Tea Party.
by rifek on Fri May 10th, 2013 at 10:58:01 AM EST
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If they were running in Texas, Oklahoma, Utah, and other such right-wing states here, they'd win every time.
by rifek on Fri May 10th, 2013 at 10:35:19 AM EST
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