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Another example of this US-centric myopia is his statement, "When music is free, wireless bills get expensive, insanely so."  Sorry, I see no direct cause and effect, especially since there are numerous studies, with data, showing that US customers pay much more for wireless and other network services than other countries around the world.

I'd say from experience that it is the other way around, when cost/online commincations goes down, file-sharing goes up. Of course, that just changes the medium, before that copying was done by burning CDs and before that was the era of home taping.

Lanier

A more incremental path to security would not answer the hard philosophical questions about such concepts as copyright, but it would make them less contentious.  In a world in which a person starts to earn royalties on tens of thousands of little contributions made over a lifetime of active participation on the 'net, it will matter a little less if there is a conflict about attribution in some minority of those cases.

Hm, he reminds me of Galambos.

Galambosianism - RationalWiki

Other libertarians quickly found Galambosians to be obstinate cranks. Reportedly, Andrew Galambos and Ayn Rand once met and within five minutes each had declared the other insane. Also reportedly, Galambos would keep a jar or coffee can next to him when speaking in public, into which he would drop a nickel or dime any time he mentioned the name of another person, or mentioned an idea or phrase attributed to another person, to symbolize he was paying "royalties" to them for his use of their intellectual property. He went so far as to drop a nickel in "royalties" to the long-dead Thomas Paine every time he used the word "liberty", on the mistaken belief that the word was invented by Paine. Also reportedly, he was born Joseph Andrew Galambos, Jr. but legally changed his name to Andrew Joseph Galambos so he wouldn't infringe on his father's intellectual property rights. Jerome Tuccille's humorous history of the early libertarians, It Usually Begins With Ayn Rand, includes several such anecdotes of interactions with the Galambosians.[1]

Galambosians themselves were not allowed to discuss any of Galambos' ideas with others. This, you see, would be a violation of Andrew Galambos' intellectual property rights. Any attempt to discuss Galambos or his ideas with a follower would get a response of silence, an answer like "yes I'm a Galambosian, but I'm not allowed to say what that means", or the question "have you taken V-50?"

In general, I would place Lanier with other supporters of conservative economics. Technological change is changing the society and as always conservative plans are trotted forth in order to create money streams that retain the existing order. The main thing that is different in today's debate compared with the one the 19th century is that the economic liberals won that one so hard that the conservative case today is stated in economic liberal terms, in particular regarding the concept of intellectual property.

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Aug 12th, 2013 at 07:14:34 AM EST
Oops, now I owe him a nickel.

Thanks for that.  Had never heard of that particular strain (pun intended) of Libertarianism.  Gad, Shakespeare must be the wealthiest ghost in eternity under that scheme.

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by gmoke on Mon Aug 12th, 2013 at 01:10:17 PM EST
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I haven't seen every calculation, but of those I've seen, most of the people who have "run the numbers" on the Kodak/Facebook/Instagram comparison have been trying to prove Lanier wrong and used a bunch of assumptions unfriendly to Lanier.

Perhaps he deserves that for not showing any data, but the repeated counting of Apple Store employees, Canon employees (who were employed back when Kodak was at 140,000) and others as "proof" that there has been no contraction has not impressed me.

Now it's fair to point out that fewer people employed in farming has not meant immediate unemployment. Rather people moved from the land into industry.

However, I think that masks an important point that Lanier has noticed, new industries have not arisen that provide mass employment the way the old ones did - and this is changing the nature of our economies and societies.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon Aug 12th, 2013 at 10:55:04 AM EST
Having read the rest of your piece, I have to agree that Lanier lacks the context of understanding to make sense of what is going on overall.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon Aug 12th, 2013 at 10:59:54 AM EST
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Lanier picked a ridiculous comparison and then blithely went on.  Others have pointed that out, some with ridiculous comparisons of their own.

I brought it up because it is characteristic of the assumptions Lanier bases his thinking on and because he never backs it up.

Yet, the question of whether we are reducing employment through the Internet and what kind of employment we are creating with it are important questions.  They will not be answered by such silly comparisons though.

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by gmoke on Mon Aug 12th, 2013 at 01:14:33 PM EST
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Metatone:
new industries have not arisen that provide mass employment the way the old ones did

it's the coming age of leisure, innit?

there's a field a mile from my house, where the farmer grows barley, oats or wheat. one day on my way home i saw the thresher at work, so stopped to chew the fat with the old boys. they told me that field, when they were children, took 10 days to two weeks to harvest for ten people, working even by moonlight to get in the sheaves before the first storms of late summer.

now the thresher does the whole thing in 45 minutes!

yet how many social planners are thinking about what to do with all those workers' energy?

ditto the industries outsourced to cheap labour countries...

i don't see any longterm solution barring a 'citizen's wage', an acceptance that relaxation and leisure do wonders for quality of life, and that work can be many things other than your 'job', especially if said job does not exist...

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Aug 12th, 2013 at 01:26:13 PM EST
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melo:
how many social planners

There are such things?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Aug 12th, 2013 at 01:59:40 PM EST
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...does it take to change a lightbulb?

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 12th, 2013 at 02:11:01 PM EST
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how many lightbulbs does it take to make a social plan?

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Aug 12th, 2013 at 09:22:03 PM EST
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what else is government, really?

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Aug 12th, 2013 at 09:20:03 PM EST
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There are a thousand worthwhile things to be done with that time and energy, including taking a nap. The problem is that everything that cannot be monetized must be eradicated.

Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other. -- Dr Johnson
by melvin (melvingladys at or near yahoo.com) on Wed Aug 21st, 2013 at 10:12:04 PM EST
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As Galbraith pointed out in The Affluent Society (yes the same book again, it is a great book, everybody should read it), already in 1957 that society produced everything needed, indeed great effort was needed to create all new wants that more production could satisfy.

He also pointed out the already existing solution: the growing New Class that don't really do production or farming, but instead do intellectual labor and is handsomely rewarded for that. He also notes that there is nothing to prevent the New Class to keep growing, indeed it makes society better for the inhabitants of the New Class, increases competition for manual laborers which drives up wages, and also lessens the strains ever expanding production.

What we are seeing now is not the disappearance of jobs, it is the disappearance of good jobs. They are good because good conditions were enforced in an era of full employment. Todays new jobs are created in an era of purposefull high unemployment which means crappy conditions for newly created jobs, and of course continued high unemployment (because that is a feature, not a bug).

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Aug 12th, 2013 at 03:01:20 PM EST
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but then came vance packard's 'hidden persuaders'...

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Aug 12th, 2013 at 09:23:50 PM EST
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