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Once again truth said is taking casualties. And again no one cares about truth said. Carla Del Ponte strangely did grow some spine and told the world what truth is. It did not change anything. Empire and Co are playing same old same old record all over again.
Russians are saying what the truth is...and no one cares.
It's like no one has any credibility at all but they (USA, UK, France etc.) that already cheated and lied about Iraq WMD should be trusted for some reason. That boggles minds, really.  

Truth is irrelevant nowadays. What is important here is what those in powers keep repeating and that will be carved in to the people's brains. Lies about some events during wars in ex YU are still carved in people's brain and some events like Racak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C4%8Dak_massacre) are very much in dispute but they were "a major factor in NATO deciding to use force against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia". Just an example...I wonder what happened to two journalists from France

They received some support from the French newspapers Le Figaro and Le Monde, which suggested that the KLA could have fabricated evidence. A film crew working for the Associated Press accompanied the Serb forces in Račak for part of 15 January. Two French journalists from the Agence France Press and Le Figaro interviewed the cameramen and saw at least some of the footage, from which they concluded that it was possible that the KLA could have staged the massacre, and that "only a credible international inquiry would make it possible to resolve those doubts." According to the paper,

Of course this women journalist is not even important here, what is important is for them to send message to any other brave journalist to stay away from the truth...they will be told what to report...


Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Sun Sep 22nd, 2013 at 04:02:18 AM EST
vbo:
I wonder what happened to two journalists from France

The journalists cited are Christophe Châtelot of Le Monde and Renaud Girard of Le Figaro (the English wikipedia page incorrectly gives his name as René Girard, but you can check him out on the Serbian wikipedia here).

Châtelot is still with Le Monde as a foreign affairs/war journalist. Girard is a still a foreign affairs/war journalist and chronicler with Le Figaro. Neither of them seems to have suffered any inconvenience as a result of their reporting on Račak.

Everything is not as minutely stage-managed as you think...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 22nd, 2013 at 04:50:48 AM EST
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Ah OK.Good for them ( and good France is not anything like Middle East). Point is that what they reported was and stayed irrelevant...like all inconvenient truth...
Not that there was serious neutral investigation on Racak...even if it was...what exactly that would change? NATO bombardment happened...
Remember Iraq ...the country is by the way in full scale civil war with much more killed every single day...It was NOT like that during Saddam who they shamelessly claimed possessed WMD...
and then all we had to say was : "OOOOPPPPSSS sorry , we were wrong" after our great democracies founded on lies bombarded the whole Iraq in to the stone age and started 100 years of civil war there.
Well what is different this time? Maybe just simple truth that Russians said " we had enough" this time with Syria. We came to close to their borders I suppose...Russian bear is awake lately I suppose and with arrest of Green peace activists Russia is telling the world that thare is a"red line" for them too.

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Sun Sep 22nd, 2013 at 05:20:22 AM EST
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Once again truth said is taking casualties. And again no one cares about truth said.
Right now we know very little about the truth of what was said.

In the Neurozone, there can be only one.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 22nd, 2013 at 05:23:53 AM EST
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Yeah...interestingly "fog of the war" is quite tick when evidence is not going the way our Empire and Co prefer but everything is "crystal clear" to them when they are presenting their case...If the truth is not clear to anyone with half mind then how the hell it is crystal clear to Kerry and France officials etc. If they have EVIDENCE let's see it.

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Sun Sep 22nd, 2013 at 08:14:52 AM EST
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You could always look here.

Look, on balance, it appears that the most parsimonious hypothesis is that a Syrian commander "went rogue". It's possible that simultaneously the rebels were u to the Saudi-financed shenanigans reported in the Mint Press article.

In the Neurozone, there can be only one.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 22nd, 2013 at 08:33:01 AM EST
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Migeru:
it appears that the most parsimonious hypothesis is that a Syrian commander "went rogue"

Couldn't stay way from the technical discussion.

Who Attacked Ghouta?

Summary:

  1. The evidence implying a large-scale coordinated attack out of the capability of the opposition is weak. 
  2. The geolocation of the attack source to military bases is very weak. Actually, a more careful analysis results in locations within rebel held territory.
  3. The evidence associating the regime with the use of rockets similar to those used in the August 21st chemical attack is strong.

So my conclusion at this point is that while some of the Brown Moses evidence is weak, his ammunition analysis is the only evidence for regime responsibility that withstands scrutiny. In future posts I will compare it to the evidence supporting competing hypotheses.

The arguments are all there after the link. I find the distance simulations of the UMLACA interesting. Hopefully Brown Moses will chime in and some back and forth on the issues can shed more light on what we can know. Though I still suspect what we can know is little and what is covered by fog is large.

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by A swedish kind of death on Sun Sep 22nd, 2013 at 04:50:28 PM EST
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I'm obviously behind the curve on this.

In the Neurozone, there can be only one.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 22nd, 2013 at 05:00:34 PM EST
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