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The reason you would want to go onto an energy standard is because of the outcomes.

But in order to achieve those outcomes you also need a new generation of governance protocols to replace the existing ones.

Since people may consent to whatever protocols they wish, it is in fact possible to bypass - or perhaps reconfigure - the existing intermediated relationships.

Both Public=State and Private=Plc are obsolescent because conventional finance capital is simply unnecessary.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sat Sep 7th, 2013 at 03:54:49 AM EST
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How are the outcomes any different from other fixed currency regimes?  You're still fixing the currency to a "commodity" whose value is disconnected from your country's macroeconomic needs in the name of achieving some imaginary "true" value.

We got away from fixed currencies for a reason.  The Eurozone is currently engaged in a fine display of why we did so.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Sep 7th, 2013 at 07:00:49 AM EST
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The problem is that so few people understand money, banking or 'money and banking'. 19th and early 20th century monetary economists such as Irving Fisher, John Maynard Keynes and Allyn Young clearly understood the problems of the gold standard. The UK only really came out of the Long Depression when large quantities of gold started coming out of South African mines. Then prices started rising again. It was the financial collapse of 1873 which led Walter Bagehot to write Lombard Street, describing how the banking system of the day worked to assure that cash flows were available to meet cash demands. Part of the problem we have in understanding the current ongoing crisis is that we have largely forsaken 'the money view' and taken our eyes off the money.

In The New Lombard Street Perry Mehrling describes his view as being based on 'the money view' and notes:

...a fundamental premise of this book is that a "money view" provides the intellectual lens necessary to see clearly the central features of this multidimensional crisis. The reason is simple. It is in the daily operation of the money market that the coherence of the credit system, that vast web of promises to pay, is tested and resolved as cash flows meet cash commitments. The web of interlocking debt commitments, each one a more or less rash promise about an uncertain future, is like a bridge that we collectively spin out into the unknown future toward shores not yet visible. As a banker's bank, the Fed watches over the construction of that bridge at the point where it is most vulnerable, right at the leading edge between present and future. Here failure to make a promised payment can undermine any number of other promised payments, causing the entire web to unravel. (p.2-4)

Mehrling goes on to describe how 'the money view', which was what Walter Bagehot described in the late 19th century in Lombard Street, has come to be eclipsed over the last four decades by 'the economics view' and 'the financial view'. These terms are Mehrling's analytical constructions:
On the one hand we have the view of economics, which resolutely looks through the veil of money to see how the prospects for the present generation depend on the investments in real capital goods that were made by generations past. On the other hand we have the view of finance, which focuses on the present valuations of capital assets, seeing them as dependent entirely on imagined future cash flows projected back into the present.

The Institute for New Economic Thinking has sponsored a course in Money and Banking offered by Perry Mehrling through Barnard College, Columbia University, and available free online through Coursea in which I have enrolled. The first reading assignment are three topics on the history of banking by Allyn Young, available in PDF through the online course. What I read there, combined with what I already knew inspired the above and much more, but I have decided that this material is better the subject of another diary, which I am currently preparing. If I posted the rest of what I have written it might derail Chris's diary and that is not my intent.          

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Sep 7th, 2013 at 04:06:52 PM EST
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I'm not fixing the currency to anything because neither a commodity nor a unit of currency is a unit of account. A unit of account is a standard unit of measure for value by reference to which commodities, currencies and other value may be exchanged.

If I accept your IOU in exchange for my widget, and Mig accepts it from me in exchange for his gizmo and ARG accepts it from Mig in exchange for a nice lunch and ARG finally presents it to you in exchange for mowing his lawn then all of us will have made a value judgement in respect of your IOU by reference to a unit of account, in this case the abstract $.

Our value judgement will probably have been based upon our judgement of your capacity and willingness to provide goods and services to fulfil your obligations.

In other words, how good your credit is.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sat Sep 7th, 2013 at 05:02:48 PM EST
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I'm not fixing the currency to anything because neither a commodity nor a unit of currency is a unit of account. A unit of account is a standard unit of measure for value by reference to which commodities, currencies and other value may be exchanged.
A simple yes/no question: does your idea work just as well if instead of being denominated in energy units (say, in joules), the prepay certificates are denominated in... I don't know, wazeegles?

Finance is the brain [tumour] of the economy
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 7th, 2013 at 05:19:02 PM EST
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ChrisCook:
Both Public=State and Private=Plc are obsolescent because conventional finance capital is simply unnecessary.

unnecessary? it's toxic, a baited debt-trap. it's what your mother should have warned you about.

it's like a guest who always takes more than is given, a cold-hearted chiseler who starts off pretending to be in good faith, leaving you to discover different in time as the cog-diss bites deeper, and you start paying interest on the interest with no end in sight, just a growing weight and sense of indenture to rentiers.

you can invent any new way you want, but until capital figures out a way to enslave it, brute force will be used to ensure it gains no traction, while the public's eyes roll and glaze perusing the byzantine arcanity of the language needed to keep the stark truths from being self-evident enough to enrage enough people to a sufficient incandescence that change will bust through like a mushroom through cement.

i think the problem with your energy units has nothing to do with the idea's viability per se, it's that it presupposes the ability of good sense to predominate over the borg's assimilation of the finest mathematicians, probabilists, odds estimators and margin-hunters, all beavering away for all the wrong reasons behind an array of the best liars money can buy.

we are an astonishingly naive, immature species, for the most part successfully programmed to be led by the nose like so many pigs to market.

you have the dubious honour of being a century ahead of your time, at present rates of evolutionary human self-awareness.

that century will largely consist of a few visionaries pointing to a wiser course and explaining the jargon to help mass self-education of the electorate, as (much like how some prisoners use their time in prison to study the law) we pawns use the downtime of unemployment to study exactly how we ended all herded into debt corrals anyway.

and then read Faust again...

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Sep 8th, 2013 at 05:25:10 AM EST
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